Since this thread has gone astray and I know that the next post by mike will be in response to Kim’s post...I'm closing it. You each posted once to each other, so that's even and fair I think. I should just pull this thread and you guys know that but I'm going to try this to see if it works. I tried to just clean it up but it's pretty much impossible without editing people's post and I'm just not down. Anyway, sorry to those of you who want to continue this conversation, I don't really have a better solution this time...

Thanks to those of you who gave good feedback, I'm glad a name isn't all that stands behind a design, Carlisle will appreciate knowing this too I’m sure.