Schott Boro Artistic - If you hate it, please tell me why.

**VOORHEES** · 07-01-2009, 03:21 PM

This is the fume strike I was talking about.

It's only silver fume inside simax.

http://www.glasspipes.org/Img156639_...CN1741.JPG.asp

Like I said, I'll use the BA as a stand alone clear, or with opaques only.

**chayes** · 07-01-2009, 03:40 PM

As far as the line dissapearing when cold thats simply not true..

The lines definitely don't go away when cold

Why does the line go away for me? Are we talking about the same line? Does it depend on what type of work is being made?

**Dom** · 07-01-2009, 05:01 PM

Yea it does, because any lines absolutely go away in iso work for example, but if you make something thinner for example a goblet youll have madd lines.

Im gonna try to blow out a small piece of the "new" 50x5 to see if there are still lines in this glass.

**mistahead** · 07-01-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by VOORHEES

This is the fume strike I was talking about.

It's only silver fume inside simax.

http://www.glasspipes.org/Img156639_...CN1741.JPG.asp

Like I said, I'll use the BA as a stand alone clear, or with opaques only.

Well thats just crazy anyway mang :p....i never got anything like that from just fume and simax!

**Master Yoda** · 07-01-2009, 05:28 PM

no shit, voohres you killed that! The more I think on it I would attribute my like of sba to my flame atmosphere tendencies, works 4 me

**The Lorax** · 07-01-2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by VOORHEES

This is the fume strike I was talking about.

It's only silver fume inside simax.

http://www.glasspipes.org/Img156639_...CN1741.JPG.asp

Like I said, I'll use the BA as a stand alone clear, or with opaques only.

is the background behind the fume work what makes it look so red? i find it crazy that that is only silver... amazing

**CCody** · 07-01-2009, 06:28 PM

well yeah... Voorhees is a magician! that is beautiful, was it left in the kiln for afew cycles??? is there a trick to that purps?

we did a test in the shop today, and both my shopmate and I LOVE Schott BA

the clear NEVER cracks in the flame OR on the bench, for either one of us. and in a comparison for FUMING; we also prefer Schott. The white-ish fuming looks better than the Yellow -ish fuming the other tubing resulted in. We even asked a third party (a glass distributor) and her opinion was also for the Schott product. She said the others looked "india made" in comparison...

GO SCHOTT BA!

my two cents (and two other people, so that equals more than a nickel)
christina cody

**michaeL25** · 07-01-2009, 06:53 PM

you are doing something inconsistant if you are getting white with sba and yellow with other tubing.

my results, with an equal medium i/o fume, burning off the excess so that it's nearly clear while working and 1 kiln strike:
SBA will give you white
Kimble will give you blue-white
Pyrex will give you more blue and less white than kimble
Simax will give you a faint blue

**Big Jay** · 07-01-2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by michaeL25

you are doing something inconsistant if you are getting white with sba

SBA will give you white

you lost me there.

**Aussie** · 07-02-2009, 04:14 AM

I don't like the fact that SBA isn't available from Schott Australia. From checking prices online, Duran is quite a bit more expensive than SBA and from what Schott Australia has told me there is no difference in quality between Duran and SBA except SBA is cheaper and not available here. I've now (as well as a lot of scientific blowers and art glass blowers) switched to a completely different glass from a different company (TGI) which is a lot cheaper than Duran and marginally better in quality. It also works the same as Duran in regards to fuming. In this case Schott's loss is definitely our gain.

bc · 07-03-2009, 08:48 AM

Here are two facts about sba. It does NOT fume anywhere near as good as Simax. This isn't even discussable. The other, that no one mentioned, every time I'm going to break off some crap at the tip of my punty the rod always breaks right near your hand, thus wasting all that good 'pull off' punty rod, thus you have to get another an do it again, thus wasting more rod. How did you get those guys to design that? I'm convinced with all the rod that breaks for punty tap offs I could be using simax an prolly saving some cash. The tube, never had a problem.

**Aymie** · 07-03-2009, 09:30 AM

Wow...I cannot believe anyone like the results of fuming Simax better than the BA. Now I see what Nick did...and that is some sick shit...but I NEVER get good results off the Simax. I wish I had taken pictures of the sleeved stuff I did in both one day. The Simax was thick hazy blue and you couldn't see any gold at all...the BA held the gold and gave me the entire rainbow of colors. Luken turned me on to the BA...then I picked some up at the FFO (still super sorry about this Adam)...and it has been all I use ever since. Matter of fact, I have some Simax just sitting around that I refuse to use. When I heard y'all were going to make the BA fume like the Simax I was very sad.

**MUPH** · 07-03-2009, 11:16 AM

Does anyone have any direct comparison pictures of the fuming differences?

**jr23** · 07-03-2009, 09:47 PM

does not matter a bit pictures tell you nothing but lies with fume anyway!

I have seen good fume look like shit in a pic .

And shitty fume look killer.

Fume is susceptible to more variables than just what clear you use.

I get good fume on china glass too!

**Ben Burton Glass** · 07-04-2009, 12:05 AM

I really like the SBA, except for applications with colors that reduce... I just don't get the nice green/blues (using aquatic carnival) for my turtle shells, etc. with the SBA. Instead of vibrant greens, it's more of a soft dull washed out yellow-green...

I've found that if you lay lines of Aquatic Carvnival, Blue Moon, Peacock Chameleon, and Silver Strike down on the end of a rod of say 16mm, twist it up, flatten it, punty to back, remove rod, and fire polish into pendant; Those colors will bleed together and all almost look the same, even though there are huge differences between them...

But as long as I'm not working with the reducing colors, the SBA is great! I've had a few small airbubbles run up through the rods, but never the lines and stuff others have mentioned...

aloha!

**Greymatter Glass** · 07-07-2009, 05:51 PM

I sell a lot of SBA and have seen a major improvement in quality over the last 2 years. The lines and seeds in the glass are pretty much fixed. That said I still see flaws from time to time, mostly chords and seeds in the smaller diameter rod, 6-10mm. Not a big deal.

I too have issues with how SBA takes fume, usually i just get a foggy white, but I have seen it work with my own eyes, so I know it's something I am doing.

I think there's 2 major factors in how I work that give different results:

1. heat base. if I've had the glass molten and it's still hot it takes fume better/different.

2. reduction/burn off. If I over reduce the fume or fail to burn it off and re-strike it it will be scuzzy white. burn it off in a nice hot oxygen heavy flame then bring it back briefly with a softer but not really reducing flame and it's better.

I still can't get the deep sapphire blue and crimson purple colors from it.

As for it being thermal shocky.... haven't noticed that. I can toss a tube of 10x1 or 50x9 into the flame and it's fine. I don't think I've had a single tube blow up on me.

*p.s. I'm biased, I sell it, but I sell it because I use it and I like it.

-Doug

**D. dino i ninjah** · 07-08-2009, 09:51 AM

I use a lot of this stuff and have been for years now it seems
There are issues and i have had bad tubes that just explode
i have also had tubes with lines and uneven wall weight
the rod does boil easily
I have no idea how to fume purple honney combs and i would love to know ?
Mr. Vorhees please a turtorial would be nice

but i can fume the Sba and get the results i thought were cool untill i saw purple
http://www.glasspipes.org/Gal35271_n...k_dinosaur.asp

this pic shows the "haze or crystal growth whatever" well
http://www.glasspipes.org/Img214113_...CN3006.JPG.asp

Purple huh freeken purple off just silver I gottta take some lessons or some thing
but you can get the blue haze most people think of out of sba by just fuming less
and striking less i really don't kiln grow honey combs i flame strike them

with all this said
I rock out on sba for my buck it is simply the best glass for the price

Adam is easy to deal with and seems to be genuine in his desire to contribute to the glass comunity
the good part is the workability of the glass and the price
the bad are the exploding tubes and lines boily rods
i have used old pyrex then simax, then chinex, now all Sba but if i could i would get some old pyrex and love it

**VOORHEES** · 07-08-2009, 10:46 AM

Adam is great to deal with, he's very helpful and understanding...great customer service too.

Adam G gets the credit for showing me how to grow the silver out of Simax...it's just making sure you have a good, even amount of fume and learning how to flame strike it properly.

I've made hundreds of honeycombs with Simax that didn't strike how I wanted them to...it takes a lot of patience to get the purple.

With SBA, as long as you blow it out thin enough...you get a nice honeycomb pattern and some nice light blues, but no purple.

**Greymatter Glass** · 07-09-2009, 05:03 PM

I gotta agree with Nicky on the purple... I made a really nice honeycomb last night with blues and greens... but not any purple...

I still think it's me.

I can get a purpleish color with a bit of gold.