Mass Production

**nicko0** · 02-23-2010, 02:34 PM

so byron3, whats your view on the import glass.

**P-G-W** · 02-23-2010, 02:42 PM

I should probably have my head examined for jumping in here with my two cents worth, but here it is....

Set your prices, and don't sell your art for anything less than your bottom line. If the store owner wants to do business with you, they will. If not, just move on.

Personally, I couldn't care less what they mark it up to. I already got paid on my end, so if they can get ahead by selling it for some outrageous price, let em.

Sure, you all know I'm new to this, but I'm not new to business. And that's all this is, a discussion on capitalism.

**NUBBLET** · 02-23-2010, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by byron3

Sure you willing to plonk down that $200,000.00, I will gladly hand you a set of keys. Oh but I am not signing a non-competition clause........ I have over $2 million dollars worth of retail sells over the last 20 yrs. You buy this shop and I will open another one right around the corner, been there done that.........

Wait , why not sell YOUR work to MY shop ? I only will double your price , shit I wont even import stuff .

Yeah that 100,000 a year even gross would be hard to live on , glad the workers make more . Oh but I forgot , about the fact MOST of what you sell YOU make .

Shop owners got it ruff .

Different field , but my lady worked crazy ass overtime last year (health care) , I mean like up to 80plus hours a week , pulled down around 40,000 gross .
But I still feel for the shop owners , they work HARD for their money .

**byron3** · 02-23-2010, 02:50 PM

Lets see, you really want to go there..... this thread doesn't stink enough already.

Once again my path in life is to provide for me and my family, I have to look out for #1......... I really do not think any of you have my best interest in mind. Even though I can feel the love every time I read replies I doubt any of you would loan me a $0.10 for a pack of life savers if I were drowning.

With that being said I have to compete with my local market, after all I am not selling but out of one store front here in Savannah. Now if everybody in Savannah sells USA blown glass then that is all I am selling. But if Joe Smoe stocks his place up with cheap import glass, then I have no choice but to do the same. Now you can grumble, bitch, moan and groan about this but if you can not show me a way to compete with Joe Smoe I have no choice but to play in his sand box. Customers do not give a shit where that glass was made, you can tell whatever lies you want on this subject but the bottom line price is what custy's look at. When they tell you they can go to Joe Smoe and get it cheaper then you "belly up to the bar"........... If I have to sell import glass to ensure the well being of me and my family then that is what I will do, no matter what you think / say about me. After all you are only a figment of my imagination that I converse with form time to time. If your opinions adversely effect me then I will find other venues to converse and share with others and I will join the scores of other blowers who have tired with this forum and no longer visit.

**nicko0** · 02-23-2010, 03:27 PM

i believe that is what this thread is supposed to be about.

and is what is so angering.

**Bo Diddles** · 02-23-2010, 03:32 PM

Perfect.

**byron3** · 02-23-2010, 03:36 PM

No I believe the OP dealt with a shop that was making more money off of a pipe than he was......

China Prodo is an inflammatory subject around here, just run a quick search for that topic and read some threads that have dealt with that lately. You asking my thoughts is you simply looking for ammunition to make derogatory remarks about me based on my comments. I do not like being baited, surely I do not need to school an astute man such as yourself. So now you really do not have a clue what is going on, really?

**chayes** · 02-23-2010, 03:45 PM

But if Joe Smoe stocks his place up with cheap import glass, then I have no choice but to do the same

Joe Smoe sucks.

**byron3** · 02-23-2010, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by chayes

Joe Smoe sucks.

Yes I have the same sentiments, glad we can agree on something.

**chayes** · 02-23-2010, 03:55 PM

I never disagreed with you on anything, actually i've been leaving this thread alone. I know what your talking about though.

**NUBBLET** · 02-23-2010, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by rayangelo

so byron3, whats your view on the import glass.

Originally Posted by rayangelo

i believe that is what this thread is supposed to be about.

and is what is so angering.

Originally Posted by byron3

No I believe the OP dealt with a shop that was making more money off of a pipe than he was......

China Prodo is an inflammatory subject around here, just run a quick search for that topic and read some threads that have dealt with that lately. You asking my thoughts is you simply looking for ammunition to make derogatory remarks about me based on my comments. I do not like being baited, surely I do not need to school an astute man such as yourself. So now you really do not have a clue what is going on, really?

here is the OP , you may have missed it . It is a touchy subject around here , some make loaves of bread and tubs of butter from their prodo . When glass is taxed and duties and shit are all taken care of , its not that hard to compete with them , but when they ship god knows how many that are carelessly and hastily put together and ship under radar or skirt costs or laws some how , they get dumped at such low prices for quick turnover . There has been cases of certain holes being left out till they get here and the rest of the labor force drills em out , just to skirt costs ILLEGALLY . This type shit is bunk . Why not support the locals , kinda like toss the dude change when you can , it may keep him from your backyard or house , if you support local and let it be known youll do just as well or better . People may not be educated , but they do care sometimes , and most like to be educated , just let them know you buy from their neighbor , you know the guy with his girlfriend and daughter they see at the grocery store or whos daughter goes to school with theirs and plays with them at the park , they are good people .

Originally Posted by Bluebird

What the fuck is up with all thus massive production of glass these days!? I go on Ebay and theres a million beads that aren't handmade and a million pendants that aren't handmade. WTF! It makes guys like me or us have to work harder to slang our shit! I know basically all you guys are glassblowers and I'm not at that level yet but shits happening with pipes if I'm not mistaken. Etsy sucks too. Man it drives me nuts. It just seems like theres no way of making cash when the chinese blast a mass production of shit. Not that I have a problem with the choinese but fuck man. People at shops want to pay you penny's for your hard work... It's pretty weak

Oh guess what shop went out of business in spokane , the one that jacked the price of import shit through the roof , I guess the signs of "we have over 150 US artists and the largest selection of LOCAL glass in town" worked

**nicko0** · 02-23-2010, 09:01 PM

byron3, not a bait, although you went for it like it was anyway.

i just wanted to remind you your trying to defend illegal activities that are affecting many livelihoods and should be addressed in a straight forward manner.

you gotta do what you gotta do for you and yours just dont expect evreyone to be happy about it.

i get the feeling your looking for justification, knowing your not going to find it here.

what happened?

3ripmin · 02-23-2010, 09:35 PM

look, byron knows that he is a big time douche shop owner that fucks over the little guy, but he needs to feed his family and some how that makes it all ok.

**dnug42** · 02-24-2010, 09:21 AM

nice 3rip...well said....

**byron3** · 02-25-2010, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by rayangelo

i just wanted to remind you your trying to defend illegal activities that are affecting many livelihoods and should be addressed in a straight forward manner.

Ray you are so smug in your attitude, why is it people climb up on their morale high horse when it is convenient / self-serving?
Every state in the United States and the federal government have anti-paraphernalia statues. Any pipe that you make that has 3 holes / carburetor hole meets the criteria of paraphernalia. So you are advocating that we need to contact the federal and state authorities to address you in a straight forward manner? I mean if you are so pure you would have no problems selling to customers located in the Western District of Pennsylvania? I know your simpleton thought process did not allow you to think that line of thought out fully , right?? How about that safety break material you got, get it at the local supermarket? Your self righteousness makes me laugh and defines the rudimentary simpleness of your thinking. The only thing lower in my book than a Chinese Glass importer is a snitch, you have really defined yourself to me...

Originally Posted by rayangelo

you gotta do what you gotta do for you and yours just dont expect evreyone to be happy about it.

Hmmmmm, can you quote me where I asked anyone to be happy about it? I do not remember stating I was HAPPY about the situation. What I do know is it is a fact of life, just as our government can not stop the flow of illegal drugs, human trafficking, arms sells or a whole list of activities that importing illegal pipe products pale in comparison to. You will never be able to stem the flow of imported glass into the US. You can whine and cry about it all you want or you can belly up to the bar and do something pro active about it. Oh and its just not the Chinese that are squeezing the independent blower out. Evan though it's not as prevalent there is Mexican glass, Canadian Glass, and even your fellow blower in America is trying to cut your throat..........Your buddy down the street that has a wife and kids to feed is cutting your throats in these hard economic times, after all we all do what we have to do to survive. If you are naive enough to believe your best friend want bite your style and undercut your price to survive then you deserve to whine and go hungry.

There are shops right here in the good ole USA that are hurting you, forget about the imports....... While you buy your glass of the 1-5 case columns these companies have went straight to the source and are buying truck loads of glass right form the manufacturer, they cut out the middle man stock distributor so that they have even better profit margins. They buy bulk oxy, do a little search and find the thread where Cornerstone Glass talks about how cheap they get oxy. I would go on but it is really clear you do not have the ability to understand these complex thought process's.

Originally Posted by rayangelo

i get the feeling your looking for justification, knowing your not going to find it here.

Justification for what Ray? For taking care of me and mine? I would only need to justify what I do if a reasonable and prudent person can not understand my actions. Well once again you have defined yourself quite well...........

For the rest of you with the name calling, that is what grade school children do. This is an adult forum, if you can not logically discuss these issues please refrain from joining the discussions. The short version here would be "Grow the F@@k up".

3ripmin · 02-25-2010, 09:30 AM

byron, how come some shops can make it just fine without buying imported shit?

wouldnt it make you feel good to help out some local glass blowers instead of trying to nickle and dime them?

**byron3** · 02-25-2010, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by 3ripmin

byron, how come some shops can make it just fine without buying imported shit?

wouldnt it make you feel good to help out some local glass blowers instead of trying to nickle and dime them?

Once again you need to go back and read this thread in it's entirety, Please quote me where I said I currently buy imported glass. Do not make accusations that you can not prove, be like me asking you why you like to eat s*@t.......... I think you get the point here!!!!!!

I am on the east coast, the only glass blowers around here are 4 hrs. or so away. It is not nickle and dime, do not be so petty......... Once again you are trying to paint a picture that does not exist, "imported shit", "feel good", "nickle and dime them". You are trying to invoke an emotional response from the reader, not provide any type of logical reasoning to support your stance............

**kage** · 02-25-2010, 10:19 AM

byron you are joe smoe. instead of selling quality, you go for the drastic price increase of shitty glass in order to compete with another stores prices.

i would say that maybe you should educate your customers about good, quality glass, but it seems that you don't even know the difference yourself. therefore, i feel sorry for you.

so maybe another blower comes to your shop and shows you his work. you automatically want to cut 30% off the top bc you compare his work to a shitty import. similar yes, but if you can't tell the difference then maybe you shouldn't be selling glass.

maybe if you just gave him the $10 that he asked then he wouldn't get a "tude" with you. mark it up the same, and tell your "custys" how this piece was made down the street and that piece was made in a sweat shop. they will go for local, quality made pieces more than you think, even if it is a few bucks more.

but instead, you give them the options of choosing between crap and shit.