Mass Production

[CripSkillz]

You know what nodice I am just tired of reading your shit ,, you never have any fun.. stick in the mud you are..

[NUBBLET]

Griping about how other people make their money while saying you should make more money just sounds like sour apples.

kinda like , griping about mouth pieces being a buck , so I buy the equipment and make them myself ?
The word art is used to show , it was not about the glass or anything but a buck .
I have been into glass since I was 5-6 , even fair rides could not compete , even at that age it was an ART . I will use the word whenever I desire for whatever reason I desire (.) .



you read this like it says the worker deserves ALL the cash , when it simply says spread the love and wealth .

[CitizenNot]

Solve all your import and prodo problems, adopt slave labour from (insert country)Bam instint profit and someone to clean the toilets!

[rocco lozito]

Hello boys are rocco an Italian Chinese problem here was the only solution and defend with quality

[3ripmin]

kinda like , griping about mouth pieces being a buck , so I buy the equipment and make them myself ?
The word art is used to show , it was not about the glass or anything but a buck .
I have been into glass since I was 5-6 , even fair rides could not compete , even at that age it was an ART . I will use the word whenever I desire for whatever reason I desire (.) .



you read this like it says the worker deserves ALL the cash , when it simply says spread the love and wealth .

yes, this.

[byron3]

kinda like , griping about mouth pieces being a buck , so I buy the equipment and make them myself ?

So you do nothing but blow glass, if the roof needs fixing you call a roofer? The car breaks down you call a mechanic? The toilet backs up you call a plumber? You need an electrical outlet you call an electrician? You want Bar-B-Que you go to the local joint? How little can a person think of themselves if they are unwilling to branch out in life to save themselves a little money? Do they tell themselves that they are incapable of doing task that other mere mortals can do? Or are they just simply lazy? I know some of you slinging mud are bleeding heart liberals who think the government should take care or everybody. Sorry folks but I hold my head high and I make no apologies for being both skilled and intelligent enough to learn new skills. Some of you need to look at reality, you either need to develop skill sets besides glass blowing or you better be damn good so that you are capable of paying others to do what you can't / won't.

The word art is used to show , it was not about the glass or anything but a buck .

n.

1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
2.
1. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2. The study of these activities.
3. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
4. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
5. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.
6.
1. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
2. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
7.
1. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
2. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).
8.
1. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
2. Artful contrivance; cunning.
9. Printing. Illustrative material.

Now it is quite clear most of you have already showed you have no idea the above is the definition of ART......... Please make sure to note #7...... Here I want there to be no misconceptions:

7.
1. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.

Wait for it : So you mean my observation, study and practice with my glass blowing does not qualify as art??? Or maybe it does not meet your definition of art, but all of you writing this crap are rouge scholars who's work has trumped the site where I got the above, RIGHT?? While you are at it could you please quote where it makes any type of allusion to a trade, craft, or skill as not being art simply because the end results bring in money??? I asked once before and no one answered the question, "You give your work away?"

Oh and I am sure some moron will allude to the fact I have no passion, that it is simply for the money. First show me any where in that definition or any other URL definition where passion is even vaguely referenced!!!!! Even if you could find it let me help bust that myth also. I mix my glass products in with purchased products, I do not make suggestions to the customers on what pieces to purchase so as not to bias them. Every time a custy chooses a piece I created over purchased products I get this warm fuzzy feeling all over, it just ignites a fire inside of me, you see I have a pride that my product is chosen when compared to "professional" glass. This pride drives me to strive for higher quality and more eye appeal in the next batch of product I make. Now that sounds like passion to me.........
But wait you would be grudge me the enjoyment of learning more techniques why? Because I make money off of it, I have a win / win situation here -> I make money and I enjoy what I do, who do any of you think you are to advocate this as wrong?

n.

1. A powerful emotion, such as love, joy, hatred, or anger.
2.
1. Ardent love.
2. Strong sexual desire; lust.
3. The object of such love or desire.
3.
1. Boundless enthusiasm: His skills as a player don't quite match his passion for the game.
2. The object of such enthusiasm: Soccer is her passion.
4. An abandoned display of emotion, especially of anger: He's been known to fly into a passion without warning.
5. Passion
1. The sufferings of Jesus in the period following the Last Supper and including the Crucifixion, as related in the New Testament.
2. A narrative, musical setting, or pictorial representation of Jesus's sufferings.
6. Archaic. Martyrdom.
7. Archaic. Passivity.

So now we can take those two arguments off of the table, kind of like sliding down a rope, you are getting close to a fall. So who has the next cheap shot or lame argument?

[Din]

Rouge scholars? What does it matter what color they are?

[nodice]

kinda like , griping about mouth pieces being a buck , so I buy the equipment and make them myself ?
The word art is used to show , it was not about the glass or anything but a buck .
I have been into glass since I was 5-6 , even fair rides could not compete , even at that age it was an ART . I will use the word whenever I desire for whatever reason I desire (.) .



you read this like it says the worker deserves ALL the cash , when it simply says spread the love and wealth .

You're saying there's something wrong with making mouthpieces, or with people that do it?

If the worker deserves all the cash, then you need to stop paying your landlord, the gas guy, your insurance guy, the guys you get your glass from, the people who ship the glass, and shops that you like who buy your stuff. A store that doesn't buy your stuff is different though, since they don't pay your bills like shops that praise you, or people that make you feel good about your art. Oops, I used the word art too.....

[Mecha]

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.....Oh and I am sure some moron will allude to the fact I have no passion, that it is simply for the money. First show me any where in that definition or any other URL definition where passion is even vaguely referenced!!!!! Even if you could find it let me help bust that myth also.......

Wait, did you just have an argument with a point that you completely fabricated? Really?

Intense.

[byron3]

Wait, did you just have an argument with a point that you completely fabricated? Really?

Intense.

And no, I would not teach an apprentice how to duplicate my work. If that is all they desired from their glass education, I would not want to take them on in the first place. Look around. Most of the newbies on this forum have a passion to create. They are not here to fulfill some money making scheme.

Intense....... why yes it was, now I need a cigarette...............

[Mecha]

That post was in this thread?

So you were having an argument with a post from a different thread from over a month ago?

Saying that you lack the passion to create or that you lack creativity is not synonymous with saying that you have no passion at all. I would imagine a man of your intellectual caliber can delineate between those two points. You see, there is still the possibility that you have the passion to make money by finding the most cost effective way to generate profit. There are also countless other ways in which you could express passion.


Your near hysterical meltdowns are funny james .....

[kage]

Sorry folks but I hold my head high and I make no apologies for being both skilled and intelligent enough to learn new skills.

hilarious, especially the the part where you claim to be intelligent

Some of you need to look at reality, you either need to develop skill sets besides glass blowing or you better be damn good so that you are capable of paying others to do what you can't / won't.

i am damn good. i dont need to pay anyone to "knock off" my style.
nor do i pass up on a "job"/money. i'll make anything, and i'll make it damn good and fast enough to be worth my time.

Now it is quite clear most of you have already showed you have no idea the above is the definition of ART

i have a BFA.....you? (quick go search wikipedia)

So you mean my observation, study and practice with my glass blowing does not qualify as art???

no, not even close

While you are at it could you please quote where it makes any type of allusion to a trade, craft, or skill as not being art simply because the end results bring in money???

when you show me where it states that making something soley for profit is considered art

Every time a custy chooses a piece I created over purchased products I get this warm fuzzy feeling all over

thats just the BBQ

Now that sounds like passion to me

no its just gas

But wait you would be grudge me the enjoyment of learning more techniques why?

because you really should master basic techniques first. or at least do them well.

I make money off of it, I have a win / win situation here -> I make money and I enjoy what I do, who do any of you think you are to advocate this as wrong?

that is the only thing practical you've said thus far

So who has the next cheap shot or lame argument?

thats all for now

[bifwitsis209]

i put poop on bathroom walls i call it art .....they call it shit....where do they get off callin my art shit......like i said its poop......

[NUBBLET]

insane , but I will choose not to be , you gentlemen have fun .

[Zed]

IMO the glass pipe market hit a high water mark around 2000 and has been in steady decline since then. For a variety of reasons its gets harder to pull a profit every year, mostly due to the fact that supply now far exceeds demand. If you think that you have a lifelong career ahead of you making pipes your probably going to be disappointed.

All the crying in the world about imports isn't going to stop them. If you convince 1 headshop owner to not carry imports it just leaves a hole in the market that someone else will eventually fill. This is America, and we operate on a (mostly) free market economy. If there is money to be made, someone will step up to make it. Excessive bitching about this fact just makes you look bad.

The glory days of the 90's / early 00's market for pipes is over, and won't ever be coming back. If your only interest in glass is making pipes, then you should seriously consider a more long term career strategy.

Finding a place that is geographically isolated and doesn't see much work outside of locally produced stuff is a good alternative for now as well. Imports are more prevalent in big cities then in the boonies, so maybe you can work this too your advantage.

Bottom line with no sugar coating, I see the glass pipe market as imploding as it has been for a while. Unless your one of the glass rockstars, your probably going to be hurt by this. Diversify, find niche markets, make products other then pipes. There is no long term future in pipe making and the whole import and price bottoming is only going to get worse. This is what happens in a free market economy when too many people make the same sorts of products and try to sell them to the same market.

Life's a bitch.