HMK's mediocre glass thread

[hashmasta-kut]

then why are you posting your negative condescending posts of hearesay? not much other reason for it other than you are showing negativity. you cant really argue with that. call it negative, call it dissing, whatever. its very much the same. definitely judgemental sounding. you have made a few recent posts trying to question the goodness or truth of the procedure. how would it look if i came and posted in your work thread saying how unhealthy the things you make are to use, would that be appropriate? come and argue how smoke is much worse for you than what i like to do? that would be really jerkoffish. just like you are doing here. thats beneath me. so i dont fight with people online if i can help it i dont have time, this post is another waste of time - i should be cutting ti squares n stuff, i cant keep up.

[blackink]

When metal is red hot, it fumes. The discoloration on the square of titanium is proof. Being in a closed room next to a piece of titanium red hot (and giving off fumes) is bad for your health. period. When we fume on the torch, we use serious ventilation. Smoke is smoke, call it what you will. Smoke can give you cancer. period.

[hippi]

im sure everyone sits in there room constantily keeping the ti red hot...heating a ti is not even close to blowing glass or fuming...lol i laugh...ha ha ha ha
and another thing why would you need to get the ti red hot? the ti doesnt have to glow to smoke the errls

[Icarus]

offgass lol. like i said, you can go do some research if you want, but i am almost positive you would just fight anything i say, knowing how you have reacted in the past, so i dont bother. i dont give a fuck what you believe really, but when you spout off like you do, it sure shows your ignorance. i say run what you brung. i dont diss people who like to do it the old fashioned way, so you dissing us high tech nuwave guys is just in poor taste. shows you for what you are( you can interpret that part like you want).

2002-2003 Scientific Review - Toxicity of Titanium
source

Titanium has historically maintained the reputation of being an inert, and relatively
biocompatible metal, suitable for use as both a medical and dental prosthesis. There are many
articles supporting these beliefs, but more recently, there is scientific evidence that titanium, or
its corrosion by-products, may cause harmful reactions after traveling through the circulatory, or
lymphatic systems. These corrosion by-products can cause reactions in the blood, fibrotic
tissue, and in the osteogenic cells.
Wang (1) has shown that titanium particles can cause the osteogenic differentiation of human
bone marrow, stroma-derived mesenchymal stem cells, to be suppressed. It also causes
decreased cellular viability, proliferation, and inhibition of the extra cellular matrix mineralization.
Decreased cellular viability is caused by apoptosis, and an increase in the level of tumor
suppressor proteins.
If removal of an existing implant is being considered, the dental personnel should protect
themselves from the inhalation of titanium particles. Bermudez (1) showed an increase in the
inflammatory reactions within the lungs, such as increase in macrophage, and neutrophil
numbers after long-term exposure. Rehn and Seiler (3) have shown that animals exposed to a
single dose of titanium did not show any increase in the amount of inflammatory cells in their
lungs, and animals exposed to quartz particles exhibited an increase in the amount of
inflammatory responses (quartz particles are found in composites).
Ferreira (4) looked at the short-term effects on the spleen after exposure to titanium. After 72
hours of exposure, the spleen showed alterations in morphology, and irregular features within
the capsule and medulla. Namely the T4 and B cells. Alterations in the functioning of T and B
cells will effect the functioning of the immune system.
Titanium is found in some root canal sealers, i.e.; AH26 and AH Plus. Miletic (5) found both
materials to be cytotoxic at doses larger than 55.7 microg ml. Pulger (6) showed that AH26 did
have an oestrogenic effect on breast cancer cells, and therefore recommended that
endodontists be careful to avoid the leakage of sealer through the apex during root canal
treatment.
A case study reported by Munichor (7) found metallic particles inside an inguinal-pelvic mass
adjacent to a total hip titanium replacement, and arthroplasty. The 72-year-old patient
developed the right pelvic mass after the hip was replaced. A fine needle biopsy was
performed, and the histopathology showed fibro connective tissue with chronic inflammation
and marked lymph node sinus histiocytosis.
Coen (8) has stated that particular debris from a titanium metal prosthesis induces genomic
instability in primary human fibroblast cells. Wouldn't this also be true for titanium implants in the
first molar region?
Watanabe (9) placed macrophages in both a fibrous environment of titanium oxide, and
particulate environment. The fibrous TiO (2) macrophages exhibited an increase in LDH
release, no apoptosis, but a significant change in cellular vacuolars, and cell surface damage.
The conclusion of the study was that titanium oxide toxicity was dependant on the shape of the
material.
These results were in accord with the work done by Kumazawa (10) who showed that
cytotoxicity was dependant on the Titanium particle size, and that the smaller the size, the more
toxic it is.
Wilke (11) also showed the increase in LDH as a sign of increased inflammation when human
bone marrow cells were incubated with titanium. The production of osteolytic mediators is
responsible for the aseptic loosening of hip prosthesis. This would also be true of dental
implants located in areas of high masticatory forces.
In conclusion, titanium and its oxidizing by-products are not as inert and biocompatible as once
believed. Advances in research technology are showing changes to immune reaction cells in
the blood, and the lungs. These findings should be taken into consideration when deciding
whether or not to remove an implant on a particular patient. The dentist should also take
precautions for their own safety when removing an implant, or when adjusting a titanium partial
with a high-speed drill.

1.Wang ML, Tuli R, Manner PA, Sharkey PF, Hall DJ, Tuan RS (2003) Direct and Indirect
induction of apoptosis in human mesenchymal stem cells in response to titanium
particles. Orthop Res. 2003 Jul; 21 (4): 697-707.
2.Bermudez E, Mangum JB, Asgharian B, Wong BA, Reverdy EE, Janszen DB, Hext PM,
Warheit DB, Everitt JI. Long-term pulmonary responses of three laboratory rodent species
to sub chronic inhalation of pigmentary titanium dioxide particles. Toxicol Sci. 2002 Nov;
70(1): 86-97.
3.Rehn B, Seiler F, Rehn S, Brunch J, Maier M. (2003) Investigation on the inflammatory
and genotoxic lung effects of two types of titanium dioxide: untreated and surface treated.
Toxicol Appl Pharmacol. 2003 Jun. 1; 189 (2): 84-95.
4.Ferreira ME, De Lourdes Pereira M, Garcia e Costa F, Sousa JP, de Carvalho GS.
(2003) Comparative study of metallic biomaterials toxicity: a histochemical and
immunohistochemical demonstration in mouse spleen. J Trace Elem Med Biol. 2003;
17(1): 45-9.
5.Miletic I, Jukie S, Anic I, Zeljezic D, Garaj-Vrhovaz V, Osmak M. 2003. Examination of
cytotoxicity and mutagenicity of AH26 and AH Plus sealers. Int Endod J. 2003 May; 36
(5): 330-5.
6.Pulgar R, Segura-Egea JJ, Fernandez MF, Serna A, Olea N. 2002. The effect of AH26
and AH Plus on MCF-7 breast cancer cell proliferation in vitro. Int Endod J. 2002 Jun;
35(6): 551-6.
7.Munichor M, Cohen H, Volpin G, Kerner H, Iancu TC 2003. Chromium-induced lymph
node histocytic proliferation after hip replacement. A case report. Acta Cytol. 2003
Mar-Apr; 47(2): 270-4.
8.Coen N, Kadhim MA, Wright EG, Case CP, Mothersill, CE 2003. Particulate debris from
a titanium metal prosthesis induces genomic instability in primary human fibroblast cells.
Br J Cancer. 2003 Feb 24; 88(4): 548-52.
9.Wantanabe M, Okada M, Kudo Y, Tonori Y, Niitsuya M, Sato T, Aizawa Y, Kotani M 2002.
Differences in the effects of fibrous and particulate titanium dioxide on alveolar
macrophages of Fischer 344 rats. J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2002 Aug 9; 65(15):
1047-60.
10.Kumazawa R, Watari F, Takashi Y, Uo M, Totsku Y 2002. Effects of Ti ions and particles
on neutrophil function and morphology. Biomaterials. 2002 Sep; 23(17): 3757-64.
11.Wilke A, Endres S, Griss P, Herz U 2002. [Cytokine profile of a human bone marrow cell
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Copyright © 2002-2003, Holistic Dental Association

[hippi]

i didnt see anything in there about TI fumes or gassing off...more of particles and dust....plus theres sooo may different types of TI..some more pure then others.... and it didnt specify in there

[l33t:weasel]

the medical and dental professions no-doubt use the grades of titanium considered to be more inert, and the method of uptake/intake usually just determines which tissues are exposed and therefor affected.

as usually the truth is probably somewhere in between. I wouldn't be scared to smoke off TI, but i also would not do it everyday, or get it hotter than it needed to be.

flame retardants and fungicides are still the worst shit around... and they still put them on all the new beds & furniture. so you can worry about shit and sometimes its wise, but what r.u.gonna do, live in a bubble?

[hashmasta-kut]

When metal is red hot, it fumes. The discoloration on the square of titanium is proof. Being in a closed room next to a piece of titanium red hot (and giving off fumes) is bad for your health. period. When we fume on the torch, we use serious ventilation. Smoke is smoke, call it what you will. Smoke can give you cancer. period.

i dont think you actually know science.

icarus, i dont think your post is really relevant either. naysayers, please go naysay on your own thread, this is the picture posting forum. you guys are just wasting server space with irrelevancy. i won't debate with you. i am not making any claims, except, run what ya brung, and its all good like that.

[kiefereefer]

i cant wait to see more sick units papa !!!

[hwcglass]

I haven't read but just a nip of the words in this thread because it looks like the subject is stupid and the writers illiterate.

however.

I am a glass lover and HMK I do enjoy watching your work progress.

The pieces you are making look far less forced than ever before.

To me, good glass has a natural and relaxed look to it, difficult with the projects you have because of all the clear.

Looking better and better.

Mark my words, cause I'm not wrong; the next step in your lampwork is all in the head. For your glass to look chill you must be chill. And it's not about what other people think of you, it's what you think of you.

I enjoy, very much, watching the work of others progress. Thank you for sharing.

May your efforts to be cool for once in your day to day life continue to show dividends in the glass shop.

[marleyb0b]

Kuts the man! Fuck all the haters keep the sick glass coming!!

[perrlywites]

i cant wait to see more sick units papa !!!

XXX 10000000000000000000000000000000000903754820863598 263895668289

[keys4life7]

hey hmk, /waves!

do you blow glass? lol

can we get this thread back to the "work"

all the haters are making it hard to actually see any glass lol

[hashmasta-kut]

i'm working on a pretty cool unit. custom requests push me to try new things all the time. i think pics might be happening tomorrow or if not the next day for sure. thanks for the good vibes, good vibe guys

[The Lorax]

titanium for the win.

Non serious extract consumers can enjoy quartz and glass all they like though.

[Icarus]

icarus, i dont think your post is really relevant either.

Hmmm. Okay? Providing research information about the metal in question is not relevant.

Alright dude. Have it your way.

[hashmasta-kut]

hmmm yourself. titanium dioxide is used in toothpaste and red licorice. that is information about the metal in question, is it relevant? your post talks about implants, and dentists using them, mostly. it doesnt talk about people heating the metal and filtering vapor through a water chamber. that would be much more relevant.

[kiefereefer]

no wonder I love red vines so much NOM NOM NOM NOM....

I'm sure I'm not the ONLY 1 but when I look @ buying a pipe for Myself based on FUCTIONALITY alone the 1st question I ask is where does the TITANIUM go ???

bless up,
Kiefer

[cannabinoid]

lol lets see ur latest pix hmk, any more fillas?

ti paranoia is such a deadbeaten horse

[Dave Umbs]

haters gonna hate
if ya'll are so afraid of TI then dont work with it. more money for people who are willing to, then you wont have to deal with repercussions from people if it is bad for you

it be nice if this thread became about glass again and not this lame drama

hope all is well HMK keep rocking it hope to see some new work

[Icarus]

no wonder I love red vines so much NOM NOM NOM NOM....

I'm sure I'm not the ONLY 1 but when I look @ buying a pipe for Myself based on FUCTIONALITY alone the 1st question I ask is where does the TITANIUM go ???

Ummmmm. Your lungs.

I'm not taking a pro or anti titanium stance here, I'm just pointing out that there is evidence that it may while it may be considered an inert metal, the body may react to it somewhat.