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    Default Re: Fire-resistant hoodie by Redwood Empire Glassworks

    Sorry, I type slow. I have a bit more time, and it seems you've opened the floor to discussion. I am in no way trying to start a war, so lets keep it civil.

    I'll start by saying your product looks to be well made and looks like it may be comfy. I am not a CarbonX employee or a rep... I had no time and didn't go out sourcing the lowest prices earlier. I simply took your statement about the mirage and started wandering in my mind with it.
    Today I checked , 2 ply C6 bacs are $28 shipped free and have a Thermal Protective Performance of 31.8 cal/cm2. 2 ply CarbonX bacs are $40 and have a Thermal Protective Performance of 45. So by the numbers i've seen CarbonX exceeds C6's performance by almost 15%.
    ( I looked a little further it seems tpp numbers vary from retailer to retailer. I will check with the manufacturers and edit my post accordingly.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheese glass View Post
    While working on a large scale installation, I had 4-5 very dangerous and scary situations where the radiant heat from a large gather from the crucible was able to spontaneously combust the hooded sweatshirt I was wearing.

    After realizing how much money I had wasted and how close I had come to needing a stay in the burn unit, I decided it was time to develop heat gear that is more comfortable than the aluminized Nomex “space man” suits currently available. I have a suit but never wear it because it is so restricting/hard/crunchy.
    This type of scenario is never good. I myself have had my share of burnt clothing and charred flesh which prompted me to purchase Fire-Proof clothing to protect myself and the people around me. Space suits do suck.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheese glass View Post
    I tested the carbon x sleeves from glass craft.

    I ended up using the c6 carbon because it was more dense (more oz/yrd) and because the fiber has a tighter knit to it. My hoodies are very tightly knit, much like a normal hoodie.

    The carbon x sleeves I tested were loosely knit, like a winter hat your grandma would make for you, and the air gaps in the loose ness do not block the heat as well as the c6 carbon I chose.
    I was unaware that glasscraft ever carried CarbonX sleeves and i don't see em on their site. They do have a few products made with CarbonX. I'll agree with you here. The sleeves do seem like a loose knit similar to a winter hat. There's a reason for it that i don't remember the specifics about at the moment ( something to do with the way the fabric works.... it'll come to me)but it hasn't affected the performance of the product. I've never had a problem with any of the fabric blocking radient heat. I don't work out of a furnace, but i have worked in a kiln @ 1300f with a hand torch comfortably. They produce many types of fabric, differnt knits, different weaves. The other garments are not the same weave as the sleeves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheese glass View Post
    Also, I designed the hoodie for comfort. I personally don't like feeling like I'm blowing glass with a pair on tights on my arms.
    True, you'll feel like a million bucks in a Lambo, but in a head on collision, who wins? A Lambo, or a Crown Vic?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheese glass View Post
    As or your claims to the carbon x-

    If you post a YouTube video wearing a sleeve with your arm directly in a delta flame for 10 seconds I will mail you my delta elite and pay for the shipping.
    It seem as though I'm either being called a liar or a troll who needs to be taught some sort of lesson...... whatever the case if your an honest man....... I think i'll accept your challenge although 10 seconds seems a bit excessive..... I'm thinking 5 seconds is more reasonable and i'll pay shipping. Who's accidentally going to stick their arm in the flame for more than a second?
    ( Let alone willingly)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheese glass View Post
    I get the vibe that you think I'm overcharging. The fact that the cost of the balaclava is the same ($50) should show i'm not crushing it hard on this. These cost me well over $200 to produce and I'm working on like 20 percent markup. Simply put, the material is expensive, but it performs the best that I have personally tested.
    I don't believe you are over charging. If that's what it cost you to produce your hoodies + embroidering + whatever expenses maybe involved, then i wouldn't say you're crushing it. That said, I do however fell you may be being overcharged to produce a product that doesn't offer the kind of protection one may naively believe a piece of clothing would offer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheese glass View Post
    Beyond that it took 6 months of phone calls and 5 prototypes to make this actually happen. I'm not just relabeling an existing product and marking it up. I developed a new product. The first hoodie designed for blowing glass.
    Like I said before, it's a great looking piece, probably the first hoodie ever marketed towards the glassblowing industry. However, your product is not the first fire-resistant hoodie on the market. I have two CarbonX pullover hoodies i've had for years. They even make blankets big enough to save a house from a wild fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheese glass View Post
    I personally could care less if you continue to use sleeves.
    Trust me, this is not about the money. It is about improving safety apparel and user comfort to expand the possibilities of glass. I would be working a different industry with a notorious 300 percent markup if it was about they money.
    Maybe we got off on the wrong foot here. Hello, my name is Potential Consumer. What will your product do for for me? What are it's limitations? Most importantly, What will it cost me?

    So let's see..... I'll look cool.... and stay cool as long as I maintain as safe distance from an ignition source greater than 880f. "It utilizes a blend of Nomex and C6 carbon that is extremely soft, much like a normal hoodie, yet fire-resistant up to 880F."

    You also mention the hoddie is sewn together with nomex thread. Your hoodies sould be sewn with the same OPF that the garment is made of. Nomex is an inferior product and it DOES burn.

    What kind of safety testing have YOU personally perfomed on your product?

    I'm sorry, I have questions and concerns sorry to rant. Like I said I had some free time.
    Last edited by BombDiggity; 01-05-2012 at 02:06 AM.

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