Ronnie's progression thread

[ronnieclaymusic]

what's wrong with holding someones hand? so what if you have to explain everything in fine detail. teaching can be as fun as learning.

i don't get it.

I'm all about learning the right way and can handle tough love or constructive critisicim but being called stupid ( not by you) and the other attitudes aimed at me are just sad. I was really looking forward to this community but I think I'll find a different one.

[ronnieclaymusic]

Wow, this is kind of sad in so many ways.

Ronnie, you might be having problems finding an attic fan because more often they are called gable fans (as in the go in the gables of your home to ventilate hot air out of your attic)

Here is one:
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/master-...l#.UDeXxMFlQmw

It is important to get one. You will want to mount it in a window. Just cut a piece a of plywood that fits into the window frame. Make another cut for your fan. To mount it in there on a temporary basis, you could cut four small holes that you could string c-clamps through to hold it to the window frame. You would then want to figure out some way to seal around those (something like great stuff expanding foam). Since the cut is in the plywood,you wouldn't be putting the foam onto anything permanent, just where the bar of your C-clamp passes through.

I'm trying to think of a good analogy of why it's important to have your fan in the window instead of just sitting in front of your window. Let's think of your room as a hose. A hose ends with a small opening that water can just shoot out. What if instead of that opening, a hose ended at something that looked like a globe style fish aquarium with two openings. The water instead of pouring out the small opening at the end would come out of the hose, and then splash around in that bowl before finally exiting. That splashing and turbulence is exactly what you're trying to avoid, as that water would be air in your room carrying exhaust gases and heavy metals and what not. You need to evacuate that as quickly as possible so you don't breath it in. The setup you have will just have way too much turbulence

I know that's not a great analogy, but that's essentially what is at play here.

Also, these people are trying to help you. It might not seem like it, but no one wants you to hurt yourself. Consider it tough love.

Thank you much appreciated

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I'm all about learning the right way and can handle tough love or constructive critisicim but being called stupid ( not by you) and the other attitudes aimed at me are just sad. I was really looking forward to this community but I think I'll find a different one.

it seems that some of the people here could have spent half the effort helping you as they did blasting you and this thread would have gone in a better direction.

i really don't get it. :-/

[ronnieclaymusic]

I think it's a question of attitude. Dude started off fine searching for info and asking for advice, but when he got the correct answer from multiple sources instead of just accepting it and going ahead with the upgrade, it went into round after round of "But WHY do I need to do that?", while at the same time claiming not to have time to look into the in depth reasons behind it, basically expecting everyone here to hold his hand in learning all the complex in's and out's of ventilation.

If you're going to come here looking for advice on something that has been covered over and over like this, either accept the consensus response when you get it or go take the time look up the technical details for yourself. Arguing the necessity isn't going to go over well. We can tell you how to set up safely and it's really not that difficult, nobody wants you to poison yourself. But it's not our job to put you through HVAC school to understand WHY it works the way it does.

Really ? Someone gave me an answer to my question about leaving all my doors open? Or why ? ( before your post, it has been answered after) just because you feel it was clear doesnt mean i did.

And if you don't feel it's your job to help me then guess what... You don't have to. But if it's such a waste of your time why bother posting negative crap. Just go use your time elsewhere and don't take part in a conversation if you arnt going to behave nicely as we expect in a society or if you have nothing useful to contribute.

[ronnieclaymusic]

it seems that some of the people here could have spent half the effort helping you as they did blasting you and this thread would have gone in a better direction.

i really don't get it. :-/

Thank u

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different colors of glass are made up of different ingredients. some of the metals used in making colored glass can be "unhealthy". i have only heard of 1 person ever dying from glass fumes, but common sense says it's best to avoid breathing them. i've recently done a little bit of research and found some helpful info. hope this helps you as much as it helped me to understand the concerns.

http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/arthazards/glass.html

http://www.eastfallsglass.com/safety.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borosilicate_glass

[Mecha]

Pretty sure that guy died from an OD (if we are talking about the same person).

Funny how that particular urban legend just won't go away.

I heard a version from some dumb ass that claimed when an autopsy was performed, his entire brain was coated in silver.

Still, good luck on your vent setup. Icarus gave you a solid plan.

[MUPH]

Once again...

Every noob thread ever:

Noob: I'm _____ and I have some questions:

Anyone else: Hi ____ here's a quick and easy way to find your answers

Noob: Fuck you dont disrespect me I'll show you

/thread

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Pretty sure that guy died from an OD (if we are talking about the same person).

Funny how that particular urban legend just won't go away.

I heard a version from some dumb ass that claimed when an autopsy was performed, his entire brain was coated in silver.

Still, good luck on your vent setup. Icarus gave you a solid plan.

i was gonna say "i heard a rumor", but i'm not sure of the details so i played it safe. i understand the importance of proper ventilation, but if it were really that bad we'd see a lot more stories of sick or dying glass blowers. one would think anyways. i asked my DR about it and he immediately stated "glass blowing is bad". i asked "why?" he said "i don't know, i just know it's bad".

[bildo]

ronnie, if you had read all of the posts from noobs past, you would understand better. I am a noob myself (2 years) when I first got on here there was some dude who was getting railed on the same way . I went to back him up, then was quickly shown that the info is here and people want handouts. if you read my post it was reasonably helpful and I didnt go too harsh. Many people on here have responded with helpful attitudes to noobs and then become disenfranchised with noobs because there is a new noob right behind the noob they just helped asking the same noob question. Also we see these posts increasing to 4 pages and then the shit show really starts. Pretty soon the mods will shut this shit down because it might get sloppy. Basically a certain percentage LOVE to pile on. Thick skin noob. This is the best place for info that I have come across and now check this site whenever I sit at computer.

And I mean it "ronnie" next time I post here ..........

[ronnieclaymusic]

I'm done with this site and will not be checking or responding futher. I did my best to be nice. I DID my research just couldn't find all the needed answers so guess its ok to ask questions only if your super good at using a search engine. Im not.
Thx to those who were helpful. Everyone else that aimed any negativity towards me can fuck off. Bye

[daveabr]

the thing about ventilation in our current industry, is there has not been a sufficient amount of time on the books for proper research. glassblowing is centuries old, sure. but high metal content colors, silver and gold fuming, big "garage" shops full of high consumption torches, etc...... pretty new in the grand scheme of things. i figure we will have instances from this generation over the next 20-40 years, that will exponentially change glassblowing/lampworking safety. i think the most glaring omission from current info, is eye safety. jesse kohl did a phenomenal, and almost over our head good, presentation on safety in the glass shop at the IFC in Salem this year. i wish there were a video made of it. maybe SCC has the film from the presentation. it would do wonders for everyone to hear all that was said that day.


moral of the story, why not be as safe as you possibly can???? i'd take all the info in this thread, ronnie, and apply to your approach. while this place at times can be harsh on the cover, there is an endless supply of info and good people here, so turning away would be a mistake.

[LarryC]

I'm done with this site and will not be checking or responding futher. I did my best to be nice. I DID my research just couldn't find all the needed answers so guess its ok to ask questions only if your super good at using a search engine. Im not.
Thx to those who were helpful. Everyone else that aimed any negativity towards me can fuck off. Bye

Wow....Lots of this kinda thing this morning. Must be a full moon?

[LRG]

Wow....Lots of this kinda thing this morning. Must be a full moon?

2 much silver in the brain? lol who needs a fan anyhow lol

[Icarus]

You have more patience than I do icky, but that was a great explanation, complete with instructions.

Okay, I'll admit, I read a good bit of this thread this morning while pooping. I may have skimmed bits, but it honestly seems to me like guy is legitimately looking for advice. Someone do a search for ventilation real quick. How many results come back? I could see where the dude feels that he has a special situation, that's a cool room for a greenhouse, but kind of odd for a glass studio. But in the end, it's still a room. But remember when all of us first started blowing glass, and we didn't have a clue either? It took me forever to feel like I properly understand ventilation. I had a lot of things that at first seemed like really unique situations, but further on down the road I realize that it was partially my inexperience and partially my perspective.

But anyway, to get back to it, I feel like dude is actually here to legitimately learn, and he did a pretty good job of weathering this at first. Perhaps not so much at the end, but I think I would have gotten a bit pissy myself after a while.

Perhaps it wouldn't hurt too much to give the guy a chance. Time will prove if he's truly interested, or just another Alienscience. I really do think it's the former though. I mean, look at this:

Ive been lingering on this forum for so long the last thing I wanted to do was come across wrong to the community and make a bad first impression which is why again I said pleas don't take my words or questions the wrong way as I know I'm not good at communicating in text form.

So again I thank you

I really do think he's sincere, and it's kind of disappointing to see this thread have gone so brutal.

And besides, fuck, it's almost the weekend, what could it hurt to lay off the guy a bit and go have some drinks?

[Mecha]

Sounds like a plan.

After work, I am heading into the house for a nice drink.

Or two.

[daveabr]

Cheers bro!

[ronnieclaymusic]

Thank you Icarus. Would it be ok for me to start a new progression thread? This one is hardly going to turn into something productive.

[Icarus]

Thank you Icarus. Would it be ok for me to start a new progression thread? This one is hardly going to turn into something productive.

I can't see why not, just give it a notably different name and let this one burn out.

[phortwantie]

This dude gives free music lessons on his website. Wonder if he tells people to google shit when they have a question, then calls them stupid when they ask him to explain concepts.