Ronnie's progression thread

[ronnieclaymusic]

Thx phortwantie nice to see a few good people on here that see a bigger picture

[kage]

This is sad. Some things just get lost in translation. Some posts can be read with certain inflection to make one sound like either a douche or an idiot. I read this whole thing and I don't think that either were your goal. But yeah there are some cool folks here and information can be hard to find when you don't know the terms your searching. Stick around another 6 months then you can start bashing noobs yourself. Basically take all advice here with a grain of salt. You gotta read between the lines, and adapt what others say or do to your own situation.

Hope u start another thread and keep on keepin on. Good luck

Ps. Your current situation does need a better fan, but you probably won't die if it takes you a week or so to figure it out.

[maxtsunami]

Hey Ronnie, gambit's idea to replace one of the glass panes with plywood is a good one because having an exhaust fan that actively pulls air out of the room is better than allowing it to slowly float away. If you are fuming or have the torch on, unless the fumes are immediately exhausted you are breathing them in, even if they are exhausted 10 or 20 seconds later. The 15 second fog test is good, but imagine having the fog machine constantly running (as a torch would be). Most lampworkers exhaust directly into a hood or an exhaust pipe, so the fumes don't even have the opportunity to float around the room, like it seems yours are doing. Just my meager 2 cents.

[ronnieclaymusic]

thank you mark and kage very helpful

[TlkQ]

It's like trying to teach someone a chord on a guitar and them refusing to do it the way you show them until you've explained all of the physics of sound.

[ronnieclaymusic]

It's like trying to teach someone a chord on a guitar and them refusing to do it the way you show them until you've explained all of the physics of sound.

I dont feel that is accurate ate all. If im setting up ventillation and being told to do it one way I want to know why so I know what my end goal should be so i know if I Did it right, as many has said it is a saftey issue so understanding it thoroughly is important.

Not at all like your chord to sound chemistry refrence. You cant get lung cancer for not understanding the theory behind a chord.

[ronnieclaymusic]

It's like trying to teach someone a chord on a guitar and them refusing to do it the way you show them until you've explained all of the physics of sound.

I dont feel that is accurate at all. If im setting up ventillation and being told to do it one way I want to know why so I know what my end goal should be so i know if I did it right, as many has said it is a saftey issue so understanding it thoroughly is important.

Not at all like your chord to sound chemistry refrence. You cant get lung cancer for not understanding the theory behind a chord.

[Chad S]

So is your studio a greenhouse? Do you live in a glass house or a real house attached to a greenhouse, just trying to get a better understanding of your situation and setup.

Do kinda Feel bad for your initial greeting on your progression thread. Sorry but I just hate when "people" say i used the search but couldn't find my answer's. Usually because they want fed with a silver spoon. I've used the search I don't know how many times and almost always find more than one answer to my question. Or better yet, learn something else I didn't know before when I wasn't expecting/trying too. The search engine is like a free tool, when used correctly it will work. This tool has just been upgraded recently BTW. May take some time & reading, therefore why some would rather ask first then make an attempt to learn and educate themselves via past threads.

I take it your whole studio is glass such as ceiling and walls, that pry is a first, so I understand why your having trouble finding how to install/setup ventilation for your situation.

If you send me pics of your four walls of your studio and a ceiling shot to see what exactly your working with. I would be more than gladly to give you my opinion how to correctly install proper ventilation or (at least hell of a lot better than what you got) for your application/situation. You can take it or leave I don't care, but either way it will give you a general idea how to improve your ventilation as to what needs to be done.

There are a few ways to move the amount of air you will need to move (CFM's) in your studio. An attic fan AKA gable fan, squirrel cage fan/blower and inline fan. The attic/gable fan is what you will most likely need just so you know. And your lucky because it should be the cheapest of the three fans. And they'll easily move the amount of air you will need to force out. Remember though you must replace the air your sucking out with fresh air. So behind your work station/bench and torch like the back wall you will want a window or door open with a fan in front blowing in replacement clean air. You also want to install the attic /gable fan right directly in front of your torch (of course back far enough to not distort your flame) but slightly above it. Heat, fumes, toxins, ect. rise up & also your torch is usually level or pointing upward.

Here's one idea but will pry change my mind if/when you send pics. But on the other side of your sliding glass door install a sheet of plywood install fan to it and build small shelter around fan to protect from the weather & elements. This way you could slide the sliding door shut to seal room off when not in use, then when your working open door up. You would have to find a way to install the cord/plug to the nearest outlet though. Usually the sliding glass doors have a frame which should give you some room to work with when installing the sheet of plywood. May not work, or be the best efficient way, hard to tell without seeing your studio in person. This is just an idea. Do you have any windows in the glass walls with frames where plywood could easily be installed or are the walls just big sheets of glass? I understand it may be difficult to installed plywood to the walls since the walls are basically glass, correct?

Either way wish you best of luck, don't give up, and most important stay active in the melting pot, you be a fool not to.

[ronnieclaymusic]

thx for the help twist. basically its 3 glass walls and glass ceiling. Side wall is the house outer wall (facia) and the floor is all concrete. Its actually a indoor pool room. The pool had a crack in the cement so I boarded over it to use it for storage the other half is where the studio is and currently is my best option for a studio until i buy a house next year(this is rented)

Ill get pics soon as im not home now but basically no windows allmost all glass panels slide open as doors or swing out. there is a picture in the beggining of this thread showing the roof. The roof has three large sliding panels that can be opened as well.

basically when all doors are open and cieling is open im as good as outside. i could not find any info anywhere about torching outside becuase it seemed to me that being outside any heavy ventillation would not be needed.

Of course turns out im wrong and thats no problem ill gladly fix but as i stated before and you have helpfuly seconded, finding specific info on my situation is a little unique so i was not trying to be spoon fed. I do know enough about forum ettiqute to search first and try not to post repetitive questions that have already been answered. I dont think most of the haters really read my post and just assumed it was another standard ventillation question.

thx again

[TlkQ]

You really couldn't find any info on this forum about torching outside? There are atleast a dozen threads talking about torching outside at festivals and while vending. ATLEAST a dozen. Also, you're still not outside. The fumes still will get caught up in there and linger. This is not a special case. It's just like setting up in a garage or shed. Close all of the windows and doors and whatnot except the one the fan is in and one behind you.

[ronnieclaymusic]

yes i truly could not find any good info with hours of searching. though i didnt think to search about festivals and such. That is a good idea. However the one door to my back is about 70 feet away does that matter?

Also outside or not they would not have answered my question about installing in an all glass walled room.

[TlkQ]

Nope. If you'd research about fluid dynamics you'd know that the distance doesn't matter. You're allowing air to enter the room, changing it from a sealed environment. That's all that matters. If you run your fan without opening a door for very long you will burn out the fan.

[ronnieclaymusic]

i appreciate it, that link on fluid dynamics you sent me before looks good but ive only got a little into it as i work so much i havent had much time but to read these smaller replys and when i study something i like to be able to sit and read it which ill have time to do tommorow. thx

[Matt P]

outdoors is different than your setup. Outdoors also sucks a lot! I played that game til I got my ventilation setup in my shop then moved in as fast as I could. Not everything is lighter than air and floats away. Your walls keep heavy things from going anywhere and serious ventilation has no issue sucking things away from you/torch long before they linger into a corner. Info is getting better in this thread, and everyone seems a little sorry about your beat in, however long it may be lol

I'm telling you though, try to meet up with some people. I live in happy valley Utah and even found some pipers to help me out with some techs. I'm telling you , they're out there, and in person help is monumentally better than this internet game, assuming the person(s) you talk to know their shit.

EDIT: I forget that some people have money. If this is the case, go talk to some HVAC guys about a heavy metal fume exhaust hood/ventilation system.