Red Max (premix or surface) or Knight Bullet Burner

[GoodVibesWooly]

Either of those two torches are what I'm mainly looking for. Or also any torches with the same power in the same price range. I'm also looking for as many used tools as possible. Pm me please

[istandalone24/7]

knight bullet is like 21 port, the redmax is 44 iirc. out of those two (and even though the bullet is smaller) i'd go with the bullet. it's an inner/outer fire torch and while it's considered a smallish torch (like midrange size), it puts out a very good amout of heat.
abr usually has the bullets on ebay for a decent price.

[jr23]

The bullet burners seem to fetch a decent price used.

Good starter torches. The both of them.

More likely to find a used redmax.

Red max used go for 350 on the regular.

[GoodVibesWooly]

Thanks. That's exactly what I was thinking. Thank you all so much for the information. I really appreciate it. Hopefully I can find a decent torch and tools on here. Certainly would keep me under budget

[JHamilton117]

Hey I have a natty 8m with 8r rider set up as a hand torch, I also have tools, color shorts, and a mailbox kiln that needs a controller (you can build a digi for $50)
pm me

[istandalone24/7]

^^that 8m isn't a redmax or a bullet...which is what this guy wants.
instead of trying to dump the natty off on everybody and anybody, why not put it in a box and save it for a back up torch, which sooner or later you'll need.

[JHamilton117]

'Or also any torches with the same power in the same price range'

Your trolling again, Istandalone. So either shut the fuck up and get out or try to help the OP out. Which is what I'm doing. What about you? Ahh yes trolling again where you have no business.

[GlassBBQ]

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[istandalone24/7]

actually i'm trying to steer the OP away from a piece of shit oxy hogging natty 8m, and that IS helpful, just not to you.

[Mr.P0rn]

Honestly, I'd pay close attention to this post ^^^. When I first started, it was a RedMax to me and my shopmate....I hated it, because of the amount of oxy it uses. It does build a nice even heat base, and will soak some heat in, but I personally didn't like it. My shopmate ended up selling it for a Cheetah. Ive never used a Knight.

[istandalone24/7]

knight is a tight torch, and inner/outerfire to boot.

this jhamiton twat is trying to pawn off that natty 8m on any new person he can, and while a natty is a good torch (sturdy, workhorse etc) i don't see it being a good first torch. and it's an oxy hog, which should be considered because usually us new guys don't make much $ back at first to fill tanks.

[GoodVibesWooly]

Well this exploded into a hilarious thread
Let me just say thank you to everyone for trying to help but I'm smart enough to know that a natty isn't a good deal for what I want to do. And he wasn't try to push it on me he was just giving me the option. I told him that I wasn't interested in the torch but I am in his tools and glass. See everything works out. And about my choice of the Nortel red Max, I understand that it's an Oxy hog. But I made a choice long ago that I wouldn't be able to go far with this hobby unless I had unlimited oxygen. I already have decided that I will be going to the home fill route. Right now I have a couple irons in the fire but if you know anyone selling a red Max please let me know. Same goes for any glass or tools anyone wants to sell. Thank you all so much. This forum continues to prove itself to me. Loving you dudes

[jr23]

[QUOTE=JHamilton117;778737]'Or also any torches with the same power in the same price range'

Your trolling again, Istandalone. So either shut the fuck up and get out or try to help the OP out. Which is what I'm doing. What about you? Ahh yes trolling again where you have no business.[/QUOTe

Don't buy this guys torch. 8m are on the list of torches that lose value the min there purchased.

Pic em up for a song on eBay.

[istandalone24/7]

^^THANK YOU. now maybe jhamilton will realize i wasn't dissing him....just the torch that he's been trying to dump off for months.

[Mr.P0rn]

Once again, If you want a Redmax, go with it. But consider this. A couple of weeks ago, the price of a K tank went up to $60 for me. I was ALREADY paying too much. So I am trying to run 2 lynxes, and I wanted to either go homefill or concentrator. A homefill would only produce in 24 hours, what we would burn in 6. So we could burn for 6 hours a day, average. Even filling multiple tanks didn't seem to be a good solution to the problem. (at the point where I was calculating 5 tanks as a bank, switching them out to be filled one at a time, I gave up) On a concentrator (in this case, Regalia 10, but there are other options) things were cheaper. For instance, essentially, for every 1 hour i would run the torches, it would take about 4 hours off the life of the homefill. Homefills need to be rebuilt fairly often. Also, running a concentrator and homefill would be more power. In the case of the regalia, It is only 1 hour of concentrator to 1 hour of torch time...so it needs rebuilt less, and at the end of the day, I calculated that it would cost me about 20 cents to run two lynxes for 6 hours with one of those concentrators. The point in all of this? be VERY careful making an oxy solution...because I almost really fucked myself when I was starting out. Also, the Redmax will KILL the half of tank you can produce in a 24 hour period with a homefill. We have a member here named Shawnette, she's good people, and has sold several homefills to people I know. If you want to go that route, maybe ask her. Otherwise, maybe check out www.pyronamix.com. Good luck!

[istandalone24/7]

^^all that is why i recommend a two stage. 99% of the time you use the centerfire.....and with a redmax that is 44 ports burning at once. of course you can get the minor rider, or the premix rider but almost everyone decides they want a two stage in the end...might as well start out with one.

[jr23]

Its not the red max Mr porn.

Your must be anti large flame. CC's , beth champions, pm2ds, mirages,phantoms. Can all drain tanks.

That's why its important to learn fundamental skills and make production for a bit.
Teaches you how to make money then play.

Oxy has to be figured in your finished unit pricing.

As a new worker everyone waste gas. You gotta right that off. Home fills are great for some but are really a pain for a real buisness.

The new systems are designed for flame workers and can accommodate your needs.

[jr23]

Plus when starting out most stay on the minor or top fire. Once they can handle then use the red max for gathers and pulls.

As long as you are working and learning and not running before you walk a tank can last days on a red max.

But if you can't make good mouthpiece openings and you already jumping into stick stacks and gog rigs. Hell yes you can burn threw a tank in a day and have little to show for it.

All decent size torches can hog oxy.

[TlkQ]

^^all that is why i recommend a two stage. 99% of the time you use the centerfire.....and with a redmax that is 44 ports burning at once. of course you can get the minor rider, or the premix rider but almost everyone decides they want a two stage in the end...might as well start out with one.

This makes no sense at all. You realize the Red Max comes with a rider right? You realize you can run the rider without the big flame running right? Just like you can run the centerfire of a torch without running the outerfire. The Red Max by definition is a 2-stage torch.

[Mr.P0rn]

I had the surface mix major on top. Saying I am anti-large flame doesn't make any sense. He sounds as if he wants to blow glass for more than a few hours at a time. If he connects a redmax to a K tank filled with a homefill, he won't be able to do that. I am simply trying to help him make a decision that will get him what he wants. That's why I started my post with, if you wanna go with Redmax...do it. I have no interest in controlling what torch anyone has or uses, but I do make an effort to help people figure out what it is they want exactly, so they can save themselves time and money. I know I could have used the help when I started.

EDIT: And for the record, I realize using the top mounted torch the majority of the time won't use as much Oxy...and will obviously last longer, but I'm just trying to point out things that he might want to consider.