Hey Luke Baylie....Are You Out There???

[LTD]

Just bumpin the thread in case anyone who is owed tools missed the fact that I am trying to get this dealt with. Thanks for your time!

[kbinkster]

Luke, it might be a good idea to contact CorriDawn (the administrator over there on LE) and explain to her that you want to clear everything up and make things right for the members on her site, as well. She might be able to let you back on even if you are on moderated status. It's worth a try in order to clear things up. Also, if people paid you by PayPal, you might still be able to access your own records and get an idea of whom you might still owe tools to. Just a thought...

Good luck.

[LTD]

Luke, it might be a good idea to contact CorriDawn (the administrator over there on LE) and explain to her that you want to clear everything up and make things right for the members on her site, as well. She might be able to let you back on even if you are on moderated status. It's worth a try in order to clear things up. Also, if people paid you by PayPal, you might still be able to access your own records and get an idea of whom you might still owe tools to. Just a thought...

Good luck.

Thanks for the idea. I will contact CorriDawn in the next few days. The paypal account used was my ex's... So I do not have any access to it. I do not have any idea if it even still exists. I am still in contact with her so I will check. As far as I know all the people who paid for tools got them. I am just doing my damdest to make sure. The last thing I want is ill will from the glass community.
Thanks again

[Albino Sasquatch]

sorry to hear about all of the problems luke i was just glad that i could help you out and i will still be getting a box with a few pieces for you to go to the surgery. to everybody else there are things that happn in life and to crusify him over this when he is a good guy just had alot of crazy shit happn in his life all at once. im sure it has happnd to all of us, and if not will probably one of these days. just try to be kind and not sweat the small things. literally its not like these were 300$ pokes lol and here he is making good on his word its hard when your ex has half of your records i know!

[PyroChixRock]

That is not what I meant at all. Just want to smash this thread. I am all for giving folks what they paid for. I am just done with making those tools and the stress that that whole fiasco caused. I am here to try and smooth it out. That is why I asked the ban be lifted in the first place. I am no longer in the situation I was in when that whole mess went down. I am sorry it happened and I am just trying to make everything right. Thanks for allowing me to come back and try to clean up that mess.

I follow, just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as you, as far as you being back here, ya know. We love to give second chances, but we also try our best to protect our community. I'm sure you understand. :)

I'm glad you're back and clearing things up, like I said before. :D KUTGW.

[LTD]

sorry to hear about all of the problems luke i was just glad that i could help you out and i will still be getting a box with a few pieces for you to go to the surgery. to everybody else there are things that happn in life and to crusify him over this when he is a good guy just had alot of crazy shit happn in his life all at once. im sure it has happnd to all of us, and if not will probably one of these days. just try to be kind and not sweat the small things. literally its not like these were 300$ pokes lol and here he is making good on his word its hard when your ex has half of your records i know!

Thanks man!

[LTD]

Luke, it might be a good idea to contact CorriDawn (the administrator over there on LE) and explain to her that you want to clear everything up and make things right for the members on her site, as well. She might be able to let you back on even if you are on moderated status. It's worth a try in order to clear things up. Also, if people paid you by PayPal, you might still be able to access your own records and get an idea of whom you might still owe tools to. Just a thought...

Good luck.

Could you PM me contact info for CorriDawn?
Thanks

[LTD]

Messaged CorrieDawn and am just waiting to hear back. I am trying to make this right. Thanks for your help!

[canaan]

Two cents from the peanut gallery ......

I watched this thread from the beginning .... and would love to throw my completely unnecessary opinion into the mix.


After all the time that has passed since this issue began - to come on out and offer to square up any unfinished business .... takes balls.

Admittedly .... 'we', in general, are not an easy crowd.... so ... to stand tall in the face of the beast that is a collective, angry group of lampworkers, and offer to make right any sour deal (now, recall - or look back to the first page for the date) that is this old, should be commended.

most people, i believe, would not bother putting themselves in such an awkward, and personally uncomfortable position. It takes a little bit of courage for the lamb to stand up amongst the lions.

Although I do not know luke, and have never done any business with him - I applaud the effort to square up any past deals that had gone sour.

[LTD]

Two cents from the peanut gallery ......

I watched this thread from the beginning .... and would love to throw my completely unnecessary opinion into the mix.


After all the time that has passed since this issue began - to come on out and offer to square up any unfinished business .... takes balls.

Admittedly .... 'we', in general, are not an easy crowd.... so ... to stand tall in the face of the beast that is a collective, angry group of lampworkers, and offer to make right any sour deal (now, recall - or look back to the first page for the date) that is this old, should be commended.

most people, i believe, would not bother putting themselves in such an awkward, and personally uncomfortable position. It takes a little bit of courage for the lamb to stand up amongst the lions.

Although I do not know luke, and have never done any business with him - I applaud the effort to square up any past deals that had gone sour.

Thanks. I really wish I could have done this sooner. I had been banned so I could not defend my self from the amazing stuff folks were saying. I happened to stumble across one of the mods on FB and beg and plead to be allowed back on to clean this up (Thanks for allowing it!!!). I am pretty sure everyone has received their tools. As far as I know that happened a long time ago. This thread has been eating at me and bugging me since I was banned. So many negative and untrue things have been said. I have always tried to be an honorable person and treat others with respect. I was completely amazed at the stories a few people came up with. Those who know me personally know the truth. I hope to meet more of you in the future and prove myself. I hope none of you ever end up in the position I was in. I had too much on my plate and things just spiraled out of control. Fire, flood, newborn, verge of homelessness.... yeah life can suck a lot. I have since had a lot of good and bad in my life, as we all do. I have done the best I can and hope to get back on top. There are folks on this forum who have done business with me recently and I believe they are happy with the outcome. Sorry so long winded.
Thank you to the folks who believe in me. And thank you to the mods and admins for allowing me to come try to scrap this wet mess off my name.

[LTD]

Still have not heard from a single person with a legit claim on brass pokeys. If anyone is out there step up. I am pretty sure they all got their tools way back when this whole thing first started to spiral...
Thanks folks

[steven p selchow]

All I can add is over 11,000 views, and I suppose everyone is taken care off, damn, this is a long thread. I remember getting comped a brass tool for some images when I met you 6-7 years ago. You seemed alright in my book.

Steve

[LTD]

I am the same guy. Just a single dad raising three girls on my own now. I am pretty sure everyone had their tools before I was banned. But this just kept spiraling out of control.

[LTD]

Just bumpin this in case their are any folks out there who have a claim to Brass tools they did not receive. If you have a real claim hit me up.

[Mr. Wonka]

Hey Luke- This issue has been dragging on for quite some time, and I think you and everyone else would like to see it put to rest once and for all.

Are you still making and selling tools? If so, please post a link to what is available and I will place an order with you, despite all of the negative feedback and problems you’ve had in the past.

I also sent a donation for Rose’s medical fund, and I hope everything works out well for her.

All the best,

Tom Doner

[LTD]

Thank you very much! I am no longer trying to market those brass tools. There are plenty of other folks making them that it just is not worth my time. I am however building and selling some very nice torch control boxes. I prefer that term to foot pedal, because I offer them with toggles as well as foot switches for folks who work sitting down or can't use a pedal. I do not currently have a website for my TCB's but I should have one up and running in the next week or so.
Thank you very much for the kind words and contribution to my daughters fund. Rose E. is an amazing little girl. All of my daughters are. Thanks a ton

[Swampy]

Just to clarify (again): I'm not mad with you, never was. I only ever wanted the money back that I had sent you after the item never showed up. Your wife bailed you out and returned the money some months later.


No kid deserves to have fucked up parents so I'd like to make a donation towards Rose's medical facility but there's no fucking way I'm sending cash to anywhere you would have access to it.

For some reason the link in your sig (http://rosebayliemedicalfund.info/)is fucked up.

[LTD]

Link works fine. Just checked.
I am trying to get folks who have a legit claim to tools to post here. You got your tools and you got your money back. My ex wife did not bail me out of anything. The money she sent back to you came from me. She had no job or income at the time. She was staying home and raising our children. As to your comment 'No kid deserves to have fucked up parents so I'd like to make a donation towards Rose's medical facility but there's no fucking way I'm sending cash to anywhere you would have access to it.' I agree no kid deserves to have fucked up parents, mine don't. I am a dedicated father who attends all of my oldest daughters school functions, my kids eat healthy food and ample attention and love. All money going into Rose E.'s medical fund is being used to get my daughter the plastic surgery she needs. Your continued condescending attitude is noted. You don't like me. No skin off my back. I have not had any complaints about how I do business since this whole mess. My life was in chaos at that point due to a number of things I had no control over. I am now in a fairly stable situation and when people order equipment or glass from me they get it in a timely manner. The only hold ups I have had lately were due to getting sent the wrong parts. As soon as I realized the wrong parts came I contacted everyone on my waiting list and let them know there would be a slight delay. Everyone who had to wait an extra couple days got free gifts in with their order.
I would appreciate it if you would stop insinuating that I am anything but a good parent. You do not know me. You do not know my family. If you were lucky enough to meet my children you would realize just how happy and well adjusted they are. My oldest is the top of her class. My middle daughter is already reading, writing and doing simple math and she is not even in kindergarten yet. My youngest is all smiles all of the time even with the hardships she has been through. My children are everything to me. The blood and sweat I shed at the torch day in and day out are for them. I work my ass off to make sure they have a good life. I do not drink, I do not do drugs, I do not party. I am a dedicated full time single father.
I hope you someday know the joy that I know just looking at my children.

[LTD]

Oh and the nonprofit account set up to take donations for her medical bills is at Umpqua Bank and the account number is 973195860. All deposits to this account go towards Rose E.'s medical bills

[Swampy]

You don't like me.



Good job on fixing the link (it didn't work yesterday, maybe the country code was blocked or something, I don't know, I don't need to lie) and finally getting your life straight.

Silly boy, it's not that I don't like you, some of my best friends are fucking bellends, just like you. In time you will grow out of it and fondly look back with glee and laugh at your antics, I know I do.

Stay well :o)

[VertigoGlass]

Swampy if I grow up to be half as grounded level headed cool calm and collective as you...... you Sir give me something to work on when it comes to dealing with people. Repped!

[LTD]

Back to the point of the thread... Is there anyone out there who has a legit claim to tools? Did I miss anyone who paid for tools?

[VertigoGlass]

Luke have you taken care of the people you owe frit and tools to on lampwork etc? If you need someone to relay a few messages to help you get things squared up let me know.

[LTD]

Never sold any frit to anyone, so I don't know how I would owe anyone any frit. I mentioned on that forum that I made some frit mixes that were pretty sweet, but I never got any orders for any. I have sent CorrieDawn messages asking to allow me access to the forum to see if anyone there has any legit claims to tools. I have not received any reply. As far as I know all brass orders were filled years ago. I appreciate the offer. I would rather do it my self, you remember that game telephone? I don't want things to have a chance to get jumbled. If you feel like linking this thread, or dropping CorrieDawn a note feel free. Thanks for the concern. I hope I am allowed limited access to that forum so I can at least retrieve my private messages, and put up a thread asking if anyone claims they are still owed tools. Thanks again.

[VertigoGlass]

Damn dreaded double post. Stupid phone

[LTD]

Umm... I just answered that question... Did you maybe double post?

[kbinkster]

Luke have you taken care of the people you owe frit and tools to on lampwork etc? If you need someone to relay a few messages to help you get things squared up let me know.

This discussion has already been linked in a discussion on LE.

Luke, if you do not hear from CorrieDawn, politely try again. Emails get lost and sometimes people mean to reply, but get sidetracked.

[LTD]

Thanks.

[LTD]

I sent CorrieDawn another message just now. Thanks again for the contact info.

[VertigoGlass]

This discussion has already been linked in a discussion on LE.

Luke, if you do not hear from CorrieDawn, politely try again. Emails get lost and sometimes people mean to reply, but get sidetracked.


Your right it has, but some of those women refuse to come to the dark side (this message board) thats why i mentioned the fritt thing. I read the thread or how would i know that? My comment was to luke about relaying messages since he still does not have access. but shit here ya go luke here is the first post, since you cant access the site. by "burntfingers"

"About a month and a half ago (probably a little longer than that), Baylie was offering his boro frit blends for sale ... I bought an ounce each of the 2 colors. Not a big order, but enough to try them out and see if I like them.

He told me that he would ship them out the following Monday when I sent payment via Paypal. Well, he didn't. He never answered my emails to him, and he never answered my PM's to him through this site.

I put in a dispute request from Paypal about 2 weeks ago, and it was awarded in my favor today, but alas, there were no funds in his account for me to get a refund. I am sure that refund requests sent to him in email will also go unanswered.

Granted, it was not a huge amount ... getting a refund at this point is not going to "make or break me", but it's the principle involved that has me irked. I didn't (and still don't) think that Baylie is a bad guy. I understood that he had things going on at the point of the sale, but I didn't expect this to happen. I don't know if this post belongs in this area or not (Mods - please feel free to move it if it goes somewhere else), but I wanted to find out if I'm the only one that got screwed.

Did anyone else buy frit from Baylie? Did you get your frit, or did you get stuck too? If you got stuck, did your situation get resolved?? Has anyone heard from him?

Thanks! "

[kbinkster]

I sent CorrieDawn another message just now. Thanks again for the contact info.

You're welcome. If there is anything else I can do to help, just let me know.

[LTD]

You're welcome. If there is anything else I can do to help, just let me know.

Thank you much! I'll let you know.

[LTD]

Ok I have been back for a full month. Not one single person has stepped forward and claimed I owe them a tool. I have been bumping this thread often so that if anyone misses it it comes back to the top and might catch their eye. I never intended to rip anyone off. Everyone that ordered tools received their tools YEARS ago. I am sorry that I am the only person in the history of this forum that has let a few orders fall through the cracks. I have done my best to make sure that everyone has been satisfied. And still people are making baseless accusations against me and calling me a thief and a crack head. I am neither. I am a family man raising my children the best I can. I have now received an infraction for asking Dwaine to stop accusing me of being those things. I did send him an infraction for making false accusations about me.
By continually attacking me and making these false accusations he is in direct violation of the TOS
http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13
I came back here for the specific purpose to make good on any sales that may have slipped through the cracks. I appreciate the support I have received from those of you on the forum who have stood behind me. Thank you very much you guys. Dwaine I am asking you politely to refrain from making these accusations against me. You do not know me, we have never met. Please stop acting like you have any insight in to my personal habits. I do not smoke. I do not drink, and I do not steal. I have in the past drank my share of alcohol and I did used to smoke mj. I am stone sober and have been for quite some time now.
Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[ACE]

so are you going to let this thread die already or what?

[LTD]

Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[PyroChixRock]

This discussion has already been linked in a discussion on LE.

Luke, if you do not hear from CorrieDawn, politely try again. Emails get lost and sometimes people mean to reply, but get sidetracked.

Happens to me alllll the time. If you've sent me a msg and I haven't replied, then you know what I mean lol. If i read it and don't reply right then i usually forget to...but then I try to go through my msgs often and get back to the ones i missed somehow. It's not personal! :blowkiss:


I sent CorrieDawn another message just now. Thanks again for the contact info.

I know a lot of people think they might be bugging me if they send another msg, but PLEASE please do...you're not bugging me. I don't mean to be such a space head, I really don't! i need the reminders.

Anyway just saying cause i'm sure i'm not the only one out there that needs reminders here and there. :)

But what i really wanted to say is that personal attacks on baylie are not allowed, or any other member. This is a business discussion and needs to be left at that. Please respect the way we do things here.

Also I wanted to talk about the issue of baylie selling his TCB's here in the future. I never did business with luke so I have no opinions on this of my own other than wanting to protect this community.

I've had a few conversations about this with other people I trust and it's really 50/50. How do you guys feel about luke doing biz here again? People have asked him about his TCB's a few times and I have mixed feelings on how to deal with it. i'm all for giving someone a second chance but at the same time who likes to get burned...and i can't watch by and let someone do it here. However it seems to be becoming more clear that luke didn't intentionally burn anyone and if he made a mistake somewhere he wants to fix it.

I feel partially responsible for this because we banned luke in the first place. If he had been able to get to things like he said, maybe this wouldn't have spiraled to the place it is now. At least he's been persistent in getting access here again to make sure things were straight. And by that action alone I'd like to see him welcome here again.

Since there's no one (besides swampy?) coming here to say they did biz with luke and got burned, how about those of you who did biz with him and would again.

[LTD]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Swampy was issued a refund. He was also sent the tools he ordered. Everyone else seems to have been taken care of. I have sent CorrieDawn a few messages now. And will continue to pester her until I get a reply:nerd: I have sold quite a few of my TCB's and I have not received any complaints. I have had people order another after their shop mates see them in action. If anyone is interested in picking one up and would rather not deal directly with me they can buy one at retail from the Cornerstone in Eugene. I deeply appreciate the kind words I have received (here and in PMs and emails) since I have been back. Thanks again for letting me return. I really wish I had not reacted so poorly and so crassly to certain folks on the forum when this all started. I am sorry I was rude. I can not apologize for the comments my Ex made. I just want to go back to being a sharing caring member of the board. If we could just nuke this thread I will start another calling for anyone who may still be out there who may be owed a tool. I have only been back a month and I know some folks do not come around very often. Thanks!

[steven p selchow]

I went to his house when he was in Madison, met him for the first time. I beleive I posted this somewhere a few years ago. I haven't went through the thread, so I don't know what the TCB means, other than it was Elvis Presleys logo on his firearms. He gave me a brass reamer tool, double sided, I have to have a use for it, as its similar to tools I've made years ago, but I'm glad things have worked out for you.

steve

[LTD]

The TCB stands for Torch Control Box (or takin care of business when talkin about Elvis). I chose the name because I offer more than a foot pedal to operate your outer fire. I also offer the option of a toggle switch for those who either work sitting or can't/ don't want to use a pedal. Also I am an Elvis fan and have TCB tattooed on my forearm. I enjoyed meeting you back then Steve, wish we would have had a little more time to put a collabo together. I can only imagine what would have been created between you, Billygoat and I. I still cherish the seahorse you made that day.

[chayes]

I purchased a tcb off Luke awhile back. He shipped it out promptly. It's a great pedal with a nice compact design. Couldn't be happier with it. Thanks Luke

[LTD]

I am glad you are happy with it! I love the tube pulls!

[Mr. Whale dick]

why does luke have the ability to give infractions?


i think that by him handing out infractions kinda sets back the good he is trying to do?

[LTD]

If someone is in direct violation of the TOS they deserve an infraction. I am trying to clear my name. I never stole anything from anyone. I am trying to make that evident. Not one person has stepped forward and claimed that I owe them a tool now that I am back and can stand up for myself. All the nonsense that was spread in the beginning of this thread was just that, nonsense. I never stole anything. Everyone got what they paid for, some got what they paid for AND got their money back.

[Mr. Wonka]

I wouldn’t say that everyone deserves a second chance (like murderers, rapists, etc.), but in this case I feel that it is warranted. Everyone has difficulties in their lives, and at least Luke has done the right thing by everyone and is making an effort to restore his reputation.

I think his suggestion of purchasing his products through a reputable company such as Cornerstone Glass is a good option for those of you who might be wary of ordering from him directly.

Best of luck to you Luke, and I hope everything goes well for you from now on.

All the best… Tom

[Mr. Whale dick]

and is making an effort to restore his reputation.



well maybe he should quit handing out infractions then??

i mean really, man up and take one if you really are sorry and humbled

[LTD]

Someone accusing me of faking my daughters injury and accusing me of being a drug addict is a bit out of bounds. Joking is one thing, making slanderous accusations about my family is a little different. Being Dwaine Skum does not put you above forum TOS.
Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[Mecha]

well maybe he should quit handing out infractions then??

i mean really, man up and take one if you really are sorry and humbled

Exactly.

Deal with it.

[PyroChixRock]

i don't think he should be handing them out either just because he's trying to smooth things over. but it would be a pain to have certain privileges turned off for one person. there are already rep limits set in place for people who don't have enough posts, or rep, which includes some infraction limits. these affect everyone on the forum.

some ppl just don't get the manning up thing though...:twitch:

[Uriel]

some ppl just don't get the manning up thing though...:twitch:

I know someone who's manning up, He's a good guy and Im glad you gave him the oppertunity to make right when life throws shit @ your life.
an old Pagan saying states 'what you dont like in other people are those aspects of You'
That says more to me about the shitbusters on here who've done nothin but stir and f**kass in this thread, youve either got a ligitimate claim against Luke or you should shut the fuck up as your looking more and more like the dumbasses you are.

[LTD]

The only infractions I have put up are against certain folks who REPEATEDLY and blatantly break the terms of service. Personal attacks, name calling, petty bickering and personal vendettas are all mentioned in the TOS. Isn't that what infractions are for? Pointing out that someone is clearly breaking the rules. I was late on some orders years ago. that has been dealt with. accusing me of other things and bringing my kids into it is just plain out of line.

[kbinkster]

The only infractions I have put up are against certain folks who REPEATEDLY and blatantly break the terms of service. Personal attacks, name calling, petty bickering and personal vendettas are all mentioned in the TOS. Isn't that what infractions are for? Pointing out that someone is clearly breaking the rules. I was late on some orders years ago. that has been dealt with. accusing me of other things and bringing my kids into it is just plain out of line.

Yes, it is against the TOS. Yes, it is out-of line. BUT (and it seems like there is always a "but" doesn't it?)... you are on here to take care of business. That's your mission. People are watching you and judging. Your reaction to the attacks is being watched and gauged. While I agree that the infractions have a purpose and the attacks against you qualified (based on your description, I didn't see what Dwaine posted), it is kind of like you are on school-yard probation here. The other kids are waiting to see if you're cool or if you are a tattle tale. I would venture to say that that was the whole purpose behind the attacks, as well.

The best thing you could do, IMHO, is to simply tell the attacker that he is out of line and to knock it off and then you just keep on moving forward, like a soldier marching with his shield up. Don't let the pesky arrows stop you from your objective. If they persist and are harassing you over and over, contact the admin staff and let them handle it. Wait and use the infractions when you've been back for a while and have gained a good reputation.

And... don't argue with the people who are upset about the infractions, right now. They heard your side the first time. You arguing your point over and over will do nothing more than solidify in their minds that you are on the outside and didn't have a right to use the infractions.

I hope that makes sense. I'm not trying to tell you how to be - I'm just making a suggestion or two that could make things easier for you and explain the "why" behind it.

And while I have your ear... something that has been bothering me... I saw Swampy post on this thread that he did not receive product and that your ex refunded his money. I then see you respond that his money was refunded AND he received his product. I only mention this because I have seen it brought up no less than two times.

I believe that you sent out the tool(s), but I also believe that he did not receive them. Unless you have a signature confirmation, you cannot accuse him of receiving them. All sorts of things happen to stuff that gets sent out. If it is sent out of the country, things can sit in customs and get lost. Also, things get stolen by crooked employees. Things get delivered to the wrong address and the people who get the item might not be honest enough to find where it belongs.

When you say that he got the tool(s) AND got his money back, you are implying that he is a thief. That's a pretty hefty accusation and coming from a guy who is just now allowed back into the community after a big fiasco... not really a good thing to do.

And Swampy, if you're reading this, it does not matter if his ex refunded the money or he did personally - she was acting on his behalf, doing something he should have done. He may have relied on her to step in and do that OR he could have paid her back for it, if it wasn't funds taken from a joint account. So, it really isn't helpful to keep bringing that up - at least not more than once.

[FredLight]

Second chance?

I think that was used up with him posting as "mamabaylie"

Third chance, then?

Anybody remember "twunt"?

History repeats itself.

[Shatner]

Happens to me alllll the time. If you've sent me a msg and I haven't replied, then you know what I mean lol. If i read it and don't reply right then i usually forget to...but then I try to go through my msgs often and get back to the ones i missed somehow. It's not personal! :blowkiss:



I know a lot of people think they might be bugging me if they send another msg, but PLEASE please do...you're not bugging me. I don't mean to be such a space head, I really don't! i need the reminders.

Anyway just saying cause i'm sure i'm not the only one out there that needs reminders here and there. :)

But what i really wanted to say is that personal attacks on baylie are not allowed, or any other member. This is a business discussion and needs to be left at that. Please respect the way we do things here.

Also I wanted to talk about the issue of baylie selling his TCB's here in the future. I never did business with luke so I have no opinions on this of my own other than wanting to protect this community.

I've had a few conversations about this with other people I trust and it's really 50/50. How do you guys feel about luke doing biz here again? People have asked him about his TCB's a few times and I have mixed feelings on how to deal with it. i'm all for giving someone a second chance but at the same time who likes to get burned...and i can't watch by and let someone do it here. However it seems to be becoming more clear that luke didn't intentionally burn anyone and if he made a mistake somewhere he wants to fix it.

I feel partially responsible for this because we banned luke in the first place. If he had been able to get to things like he said, maybe this wouldn't have spiraled to the place it is now. At least he's been persistent in getting access here again to make sure things were straight. And by that action alone I'd like to see him welcome here again.

Since there's no one (besides swampy?) coming here to say they did biz with luke and got burned, how about those of you who did biz with him and would again.

I'll bite. I don't know Luke at all. Only friends on Facebook, really.

I bought a custom painted TCB (foot pedal) with a needle valve oxy bypass. Everything went perfect! He even sent it out before I sent money!

I had a question upon installation. His number was right on the instruction sheet, with a note saying "call with any questions", so I did. He set me straight and then we bullshitted on the phone for an hour or so.

Imo, Luke just went through some shitty part of life, like we all have. There's no reason to call him a crackhead. He's pretty fuckin' down to Earth.

I'd happily buy from him again. In fact, I've just commissioned him to make a lay back for me. :chilling:

[mer]

some people just like drama.

[loydb]

some people just like drama.

It's like a damn bead forum around here sometimes...
:bangHead:

[Icarus]

At least we don't have a forum room dedicated to diet tips.

[kbinkster]

It's like a damn bead forum around here sometimes...
:bangHead:

Nah, man, bead forum dramas are not nearly as entertaining out in the open (the behind the scenes stuff is another story), and they tend to get shut down quickly.

Drama is drama and men gossip every but as much as women.

I love this place because as long as you are respectful, you can speak your mind. I think it helps clear the air. I see little misunderstandings from time to time that could develop into grudges and worse if the parties involved did not get the chance to air everything out and once they do, and see that the beef was a misunderstanding, everybody involved is cool with each other more often than not. This place gives people a chance to work things out and that's awesome.






to the skeptics:
about chances and forgiveness

You know, I am all for helping people with second (and sometimes third) chances. If someone makes a real effort and acknowledges that they were wrong in the past and is sorry for it, then you should extend to them the chance that you would hope someone would extend to you if you ever needed it. That's not to say that someone deserves the chance. It's saying that you are doing what you can to be forgiving and kind. You certainly don't want someone to be hurt by a cheat, but unless you are sure that that person is still cheating people or setting them up to be cheated, then why bust on him and make it hard for him to make amends to the community?


None of us ever thinks that we will screw up so bad that we hurt other people. But... imagine if the unthinkable happened and you screwed up and then you got your chit together and tried to straighten out your life and right your past wrongs. How would you really want people to treat you? Not how you think or feel you would deserve to be treated, but how you wish that they would treat you.

If you feel uncomfortable doing business with Luke, directly, don't. If you don't feel safe referring him to your friend's don't. If he has something you or someone you know wants, but you don't want to deal with him, then buy it from one of his distributors.

Going on and continually bringing up his past at this point in the game does not help the situation. It does not motivate Luke to try harder now and in the future. It's not warning anyone reading this thread about Luke, since obviously, his past is already posted. And, it does not help you to dwell in the past.

If you sincerely believe that Luke is on here right now trying to scam the members of our community, then gather up your evidence and state your case using reason, logic, and proof. Throwing potshots and making innuendoes is not going to convince anyone of anything other than you can't let it go.


PS I should follow my own advice, too.;)

[kbinkster]

Second chance?

I think that was used up with him posting as "mamabaylie"

Third chance, then?

Anybody remember "twunt"?

History repeats itself.

Luke, if you did this (posted as someone else), now would be the time to own up to it. Let's just get all of it out in the open so we can deal and move on. It goes to trust and credibility. That might have been you when you were in a bad place, but you say that you aren't there any more and if you're honest now about dishonesty in the past, I think that goes towards credibility, too.

You strike me as someone who wants to right his wrongs and move forward, being a good example to his children. If you did not use those id's or others, then you didn't and you shouldn't be punished for something you didn't do.

[LTD]

Thanks for the advice in the earlier post. And thanks for being so well spoken and logical.

[LTD]

Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[Shatner]

Nah, man, bead forum dramas are not nearly as entertaining out in the open (the behind the scenes stuff is another story), and they tend to get shut down quickly.

Drama is drama and men gossip every but as much as women.

I love this place because as long as you are respectful, you can speak your mind. I think it helps clear the air. I see little misunderstandings from time to time that could develop into grudges and worse if the parties involved did not get the chance to air everything out and once they do, and see that the beef was a misunderstanding, everybody involved is cool with each other more often than not. This place gives people a chance to work things out and that's awesome.






to the skeptics:
about chances and forgiveness

You know, I am all for helping people with second (and sometimes third) chances. If someone makes a real effort and acknowledges that they were wrong in the past and is sorry for it, then you should extend to them the chance that you would hope someone would extend to you if you ever needed it. That's not to say that someone deserves the chance. It's saying that you are doing what you can to be forgiving and kind. You certainly don't want someone to be hurt by a cheat, but unless you are sure that that person is still cheating people or setting them up to be cheated, then why bust on him and make it hard for him to make amends to the community?


None of us ever thinks that we will screw up so bad that we hurt other people. But... imagine if the unthinkable happened and you screwed up and then you got your chit together and tried to straighten out your life and right your past wrongs. How would you really want people to treat you? Not how you think or feel you would deserve to be treated, but how you wish that they would treat you.

If you feel uncomfortable doing business with Luke, directly, don't. If you don't feel safe referring him to your friend's don't. If he has something you or someone you know wants, but you don't want to deal with him, then buy it from one of his distributors.

Going on and continually bringing up his past at this point in the game does not help the situation. It does not motivate Luke to try harder now and in the future. It's not warning anyone reading this thread about Luke, since obviously, his past is already posted. And, it does not help you to dwell in the past.

If you sincerely believe that Luke is on here right now trying to scam the members of our community, then gather up your evidence and state your case using reason, logic, and proof. Throwing potshots and making innuendoes is not going to convince anyone of anything other than you can't let it go.


PS I should follow my own advice, too.;)


You have such grace with words :lol: I'd rep you, but I haven't 'spead it around' enough to rep you again.
You rock!

[PyroChixRock]

so well said, kim. thanks :)

[J Howard]

Second chance?

I think that was used up with him posting as "mamabaylie"

Third chance, then?

Anybody remember "twunt"?

History repeats itself.

........?

[LTD]

........?

Not trying to argue here... I did post as mamaBaylie, and every time I did I said it was me doing it. After I was banned I did come back as twunt, I made no attempts to make any sales as twunt. I just missed the board and not being able to comment sucked.

Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[Gold Fire Glass]

As a new member here and I do not know any of you very well . Through communication and trying to be a contributing member to this Forum I am trying to get to know you . ( and who the various characters are Lol ) I just want to say I see this place as a tremendous opportunity for a new lampworker such as myself to be given an invaluable education. If one is willing to listen, read and use the search and then ask intelligent and sincere questions there is a copious amount of information to be had here. I contacted Luke about one of his TCB's and we talked on the phone for close to 2 hours. I can say in my opinion he seems like a decent guy with a good heart . Life might have just dealt him a raw deal at that time . Being a single father myself I can say that there comes a point in a persons life when you can be faced with a life changing situation . Mine was becoming a single father after a 16 year marriage. It shook my very foundation .It made me take a look around and see what was and wasn't important in my life. After a 2 year court battle and a HUGE financial loss I can say that I have custody of 2 of the most beautiful , intelligent and well adjusted teenage girls that I am proud to know. This could be a similar situation that Luke found himself in . ( I do not know Luke and do not know this to be fact , this is just my personal observation ) I'm not making excuses for his past behavior.
Remember the saying : " To Err is Human to Forgive is Divine "
So after speaking with Luke I will order a TCB from him . If your apprehensive of doing business with him use your Credit Card to pay through paypal and IF something where to go wrong you have protection through your visa or MC or whatever.
Sorry for the rant . This was just my .02

[LTD]

I did enjoy our talk... glass to tattoos to gold smithing... Good talk. Hope to hear from you soon!

[Chris Juedemann]

Lemonade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT7g5sUEeCM

[FredLight]

Good for you for admitting, finally, that you did make a new account because you were lonely and needy.

I look at it this way, you RAPED the forum.

The forum said "NO", so you put on a mask and came back and took her anyway.

If that's the way you operate, I don't feel comfortable with you being here.

That's just my honest opinion.

[LTD]

Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[mer]

wtf? i'll put the smack down on a fake account with the quickness, i have no love for dishonesty, but rape, seriously? get over yourself dood, it's a fucking offensive analogy.

[LTD]

Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[Shatner]

Lemonade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT7g5sUEeCM

:lol


wtf? i'll put the smack down on a fake account with the quickness, i have no love for dishonesty, but rape, seriously? get over yourself dood, it's a fucking offensive analogy.

I agree 100% with this statement. I'll say it again. I've done business with Luke for a TCB. I got what I wanted within 2 days and he sent it before I even payed him. Dude just had a rough patch in life like we've all had or will have.

He came through, admitted his wrongs and you're still talking shit (not only FredLight). No rape found.

[FredLight]

Yea, ok.

It was just how I felt about it.

You have the right to disagree.

Sorry I used to word rape.

Go on with your business, honest or otherwise.

[LTD]

Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[mer]

you don't really need to repeat yourself like that, it's kind of annoying.

[LTD]

Sorry. I am just trying to keep that at top. That is the main reason I came back. And I want to get it taken care of. Since I have been back not one single person has stepped forward and made a claim that I owe them a tool. If you guys would like to lock this thread down I would gladly start a thread specifically for the purpose of tracking down anyone who was missed. At this point it feels like a dead horse is getting beat from all angles. Sorry to annoy you Mer. I just want this to be resolved.

[FredLight]

Would it violate the TOS to say his mere presence is annoying?

[LTD]

lol
At least you are creative. I'll give you that.

[kbinkster]

Luke, regardless of whether this thread is shut down or not, maybe it would be a good idea to have a thread devoted to that announcement. Maybe someone could lock it and make it a sticky for a while.

[LTD]

Kimberly you always have great advice! Thanks!

[phab]

...OR you could just put it in your signature like you did for the medical foundation link.

[LTD]

Not a bad idea. I already took Kbinksters advice.

[VertigoGlass]

SWEETTTTTT now we have another thread that will turn into an attention whore thread...


here cause it has been said in the last 30 seconds.....


Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools LUKE was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let HIM know you were over looked. Thank you very much

[phab]

SWEETTTTTT now we have another thread that will turn into an attention whore thread...


here cause it has been said in the last 30 seconds.....


Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools LUKE was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let HIM know you were over looked. Thank you very much

...its kinda like spam. reminds me of the past pages of this thread, willy nilly posting over and over. its like deja vu all over again.

[Chris Juedemann]

...its kinda like spam. reminds me of the past pages of this thread, willy nilly posting over and over. its like deja vu all over again.

[Kevin Bumble]

hey have you guys heard there's this LUKE character is giving out tools for people that have been dicked over, if you PLEASE contact him he will hook it up.


one last whack on the beast

o ya i've been dicked over before what kinda tools ya sending me

[Mr. Wonka]

http://users.csonline.net/glass/make-it-stop.jpg

[MUPH]

Once again, if there is anyone who has a legitimate claim to any of the brass tools I was selling in the past PLEASE step forward and let me know you were over looked. Thank you very much

/\/\

[VertigoGlass]

+2 for wonka!

[Greymatter Glass]

You owe me $10,000 and a first born son (doesn't have to be yours)

....

*crosses fingers*

[LTD]

Sorry I only have daughters. And I believe it was you who owed ME $10,000:devil1:

[Chris Juedemann]

http://www.glasskitchen.com/temp/fixed.jpg

Fixed.

[J Howard]

1133 posts and not alot of rep. hmmmm. keep posting its' working

[Greymatter Glass]

GK, well played sir. Well played.

http://www.greymatter.org/avatars/pedochase.gif

[Shatner]

http://www.glasskitchen.com/temp/fixed.jpg

Fixed.

Took me a second. Bravo, sir!:dieslaugh

[Riley]

awww. i want in. whats the gopher like thing all about or am i just daft?

[TlkQ]

Pedobear. It's a 4chan thing

[mer]

if anybody has anymore business with luke over this please see this thread (http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34600).