Invacare Oxygen Concentrators and Homefills

[Deez]

Im a little weary of this everyone. This coreyscollectibles guy, has gone through and posted the same thing he posted here in at least 3 other threads about homefills that i have seen. Anyone else think that is a bit odd??? Both new members joining within the last month...... sounds fishy just saying.

[glasspope]

Looks like he even is applying for a venders badge

[Deez]

http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showt...t=30912&page=3

http://www.talkglass.com/forum/showt...t=26729&page=7

sorry but too strange

[CoreysCollectables]

OVglass, and Glasspope, I hear and understand all of your concerns. I spent a lot of time writing what I thought was a very fair and complete analysis of my experience. I posted the same thing in a few different threads because I wanted to try to help out a new friend. I am sorry if my copy and paste idea to the other threads makes you a little weary, I just wanted to get people to his page. Everything I told you about how I met him and the rest of it is true. I know my last post seems like a sales pitch, but that's because I am also a professionally trained sales person. I used to teach, train and manage sales teams.

OxygenTech is an amazing guy. He and his company are for real. I drove over an hour from San Diego, CA to Laguna Hills, CA to meet him. I became a member here to do more research on the Oxy filling systems you guys discussed. I did in fact purchase a homefill system from OxygenTech. My experience was so awesome, I had to share it with you guys. When I went to go see him yesterday, He told me he had created an account and started a thread. I told him that I would write an amazing review to help him out.

I receive no endorsements, royalties, or any other form of compensation form OxygenTech or his company. Besides having his number in my back pocket for any maintenance on my oxy equipment. We had a discussion about how the medical industry is taking a big hit and I was helping him to see the potential of the glass and jewelry industries. He is currently working on putting together all the parts for a manifold so I can hook up my system and fill my bottles. He is doing this in the interest that it would make it easier for everyone else to just start filling instead of the downtime of finding parts.

Yes, I am new here. Yes, OxygenTech is new here. But hopefully you can understand that we are 2 different people. I am a glass artist in San Diego, he is a respiratory specialist in Orange County. And we have craigslist to thank for helping me find him. I just wanted to help out everyone that has helped me out along the way. So I connected OxygenTech to the glass community.

After he has time to figure out all the legalities of selling medical units for industrial use, I am sure he will release his full contact information. I just didn't want to violate his privacy so soon. OxygenTech is a good guy and I speak from the heart. I promise. I hope this helps ease your concerns.

Once I have the connections and the manifold in place, I will take a photo of my filling system to show you that I am not kidding. I have 4 large bottles, larger than K tanks... they are 300's not 250's. My fill times and such will be greatly different than most of you, however my theory will work on any size bottle. I want to fill the back 3 and work off the front 1 bottle. Then when the 1 runs out, just bleed over the back 3 and it fills the volume without reducing the pressure as much. I will take photos and keep you updated on how my system is coming together.

Much love and many blessings,
Corey M.


If you still don't believe me... check out my website... I'm just a glass artist, like the rest of you.

www.coreyscollectables.com

[glasspope]

Abit strange

[CoreysCollectables]

Glasspope, No worries. I understand completely. I was almost ripped off by a privet seller before I found OxygenTech. What built my confidence in him at first was the fact that he is a real business with a website, phone number, and staff. I don't post it yet because I don't want to put his medical business in jeopardy. Oxygen is a prescription drug and the FDA does not take it lightly when you sell it to someone other than a patient. He was able to answer tons of my questions form technical data to oxygen filling theories. I am sorry if my copy and paste method seemed a little weary, but sometime if you said it right the first time, there is no use in retyping it. It takes so long to type, spellcheck, and re-read multiple replies to the same questions.

I know that you will not be disappointed with OxygenTech. Just give him a little time to figure out the legalities. As I stated, he is working on putting together a full kit that includes an OxyCon, a homefill, extra filters, and a manifold for other glass artists. The industrial oxygen uses are a new field for him. But I'm sure he will be up to speed very soon. Please just give him some time, I'm sure he will give out his other contact info when he is ready. After getting introduced to the glass industry, he has already sold 4 homefill units! So I'm sure he want to service this industry, it just getting the legal details together.



Warning: Copy and Past from another post below.

I would like to take this moment to thank MetalBone and others for doing such in depth research on the Homefill systems. After reading these threads, I went on to find and build my own Homefill system. This is how I met OxygenTech. But without your research, I would still be looking at the EX2000! So, Thank You a million times over. I know this thread and others like it are a serious help to our fellow glass artists. You have done a great service to the community! Keep up the good work.

I will post more on the development of my system as soon as I get the manifold in place. Thanks again!

Oh, and BTW Metalbone: did you know that there is a 20psi output on the back panel, bottom right on the Platinum 5. It looks like a service port or drain! The hookup in front is for the patient to breath while their bottles are being filled. Just thought you should know since I saw your pics with the hose coming out of the front.

Much love and many blessings,
~ Corey M.

www.coreyscollectables.com

[glasspope]

Very nice info corey sounds good let's waite and see

[OxygenTech]

Ok, as I said, I'm a little busy with some other things at the moment, but I did manage to get my own whip created after visiting with the company, Spectrum Gas Products, that fills my medical tanks. Between the OCFA, the FDA, and drug manufacturing license in CA required to fill my medical tanks, what with lot numbers required and all I find it much easier to pay someone else.
I told Spectrum what the glass community was up to and asked if he'd look at the schematic I pulled off the site, offer insights and give me some advice.
What I came away with was 2 very basic whips and a better understanding on how to make more complicated set ups. The more complicated, the more expensive. I left with 2 CGA 540 pieces and one 48" piece of high pressure line. I'll post pictures of the bags. The one piece I didnt get and am kicking myself for was an inline T adapter (t. The whip as I first put it together had homefill adapter on one side, and the 540 on the other, very simple, just plug into the homefill connection and screw onto the tank. Doh!, I cannot see the pressure, and a simple solution is to use the 'T' adapter to install a gauge. I have a plethora of 1/8 NPT valves from old regulators, so with an adapter1/4 to 1/8 I can use the gauge. I'd rather use stock that is sitting around then buy new.
I borrowed a type of a T from one of my 15 LPM H Regulators and can now watch the progress on my fill.

So, the fill, how fast I have been asked. Well, I personally have not known until now. I started at 3:45PM today on an empty tank, I'll keep you informed.

From my call into Invacare Tech services about the possiblity of souping up the homefill performance.

The homefill requires 14-21 PSI in order to fill. The fill ports on homefill capable concentrators will put out between 14 and 21 psi. The front nipple that is typically connected directly to the patient is a 5 PSI port, and would be a bad idea to use (and will not work according to Invacare Tech).
Also, 2 LPM max is what the homefill will draw from the concentrator, makes no difference if the unit is a 5 or 10 LPM machine.

As a point of interest, for medical tanks, the tanks are vacuumed prior to filling to ensure there is no contamination or moisture. We us 50 PSI compressors for some specific patient needs, I asked if that was sufficient to clear a tank, and the guys who fill them said it would work, but just take a while. They use a larger machine. I don't know if any of you ever considered doing that prior to a fill or not, it is not required for industrial gases, but Spectrum for example, just does it as a part of there process regardless.

Back to the Whip, if you wanted to make a more complicated fill line, the only thing stopping you seems to be your imagination. A glass blower who just bought a homefill has an ideal set up where he will be running 4 tanks in series, all going back to his torch, with a series of shut of valves, so he "never has to touch a wrench again".
I'm only setting up a single station, one at a time set up, basically, so I can field test this thing for me.

Pictures to follow.

Also, seems as though something is stirred up, and sometimes that just happens. Sorry about that.

For any of you who would like to see what the future of medicine looks like I encourage you to go here, see what I'm dealing with now and what everyone else will be dealing with in about a year.
Fun Stuff, and directly where my priorities and energies are until the end of this month.
http://dmecompetitivebid.com/palmett...f/DocsCat/Home

My partial cost, without the T or gauge for my whip was $50. But, then again, I have the internet, so I'll see If I can find cheaper prices for the things I am using currently. No part number on the high pressure line, sorry.

I have not had a response yet from legal or my GL insurance agent, but, if I can work it out I'll put the packages on my ecommerce site which has been up for 10 years. The only thing on that site is oxygen concentrators, we specialize in portable units, but none of those would work for your torches!

[OxygenTech]

Here are a few pictures of what is going on at the moment, and the part numbers.

[OxygenTech]

and the homefill filling the single H tank, 4' whip, with the pressure gauge inline.

[glasspope]

Looks like your really getting into it can't waite to try out the finished product

[OxygenTech]

At 2.5 hours into the fill I was 250 pounds, we will see if the unit continues to fill, I'll not be in to check until about 7:45 tomorrow morning, so that should put me at about 16 hours, we will see where we are on our fill.

[Alfred]

Why's everyone so tired?

[OxygenTech]

Nice vase Alfred, not sure about the tired comment.

[OxygenTech]

How long would it take to fill a k tank roughly? And if I already have a concentrator, how much for the homefill and anything else I would need to fill my tank?

Thanks

I am doing a fill test now, I will post results in Liters per hour, which should have some continuity over different size vessels.

[OxygenTech]

I'm wonderin what JDeMoss is wondering ^^ . How much for just the Homefill and necessary equipment? Im in Los Angeles though so I could pick it up from you to save some shipping costs.

You can absolutely come pick one up, pick the unit you want. PM me for my business address.

[OxygenTech]

How much are they for a walk in deal?
And can ya cut us a little deal if we get two complete setups?

Yes!! Walk in deals saves me shipping and packing ETC!
2 for deal, yep, even better.
PM me, I'll give you the business phone number and address.

[OxygenTech]

How long would it take to fill a k tank roughly? And if I already have a concentrator, how much for the homefill and anything else I would need to fill my tank?

Thanks

I am doing a test right now, I'll have answers in the morning.

[OxygenTech]

I will need to start an FAQ about Homefill operation, I think I'll post a manual, as well as the service manual for the concentrator and homefill.

Tip 1,
When operating your homefill, use the homefill port, set the LPM on the patient oxygen port to at least .5 LPM and no more than 1 LPM.
Tip 2, when you first turn on your oxygen concentrator, in preparation for filling your tank, set the LPM to the max, 5 LPM for example and let it run for about 5 minutes. You'll see in the manual that the unit will recommend 30 minutes to 'warm up'. This high flow will help clear out the storage tank that is located between the two sieve beds. Once the unit has run for a bit, turn the LPM down to at least .5 and not more than 1 LPM. THEN TURN ON THE HOMEFILL. Otherwise, as some of you may have discoverd, there is a pesky 'OXYGEN BELOW NORMAL' alarm that comes on the homefill.
Tip 3. On Invacare concentrators, the ball is in the middle of the target LPM. Many other concentrators have the ball rest on the line that defines the LPM, Invacare splits the line.

[Emmett's Glass]

Are there any uses (more than scrap metal value) for the aluminum homefill tanks after the nipple has been removed? What about an extra tank with the nipple still intact?
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